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7055

Aug 10, 2010, 10:06 PM
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I just started skydiving and I understand that in as few as 5 jumps you can do a 10,000' hop n pop. My question is what comes after that and at what point can you do a jump in which you have considerable free fall time? In other words you are not deploying the canopy almost immediately after letting go of the aircraft.


airtwardo  (D License)

Aug 10, 2010, 10:10 PM
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I just started skydiving and I understand that in as few as 5 jumps you can do a 10,000' hop n pop. My question is what comes after that and at what point can you do a jump in which you have considerable free fall time? In other words you are not deploying the canopy almost immediately after letting go of the aircraft.


Ummm...

If ya got two in now you're only three away from the 10grand H&P!

What comes next is your instructor rating! Wink


7055

Aug 10, 2010, 10:12 PM
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Could you clarify more please? What exactly is your instructor rating? And at what point can you do a jump where you have considerable free fall time?


Joellercoaster  (D 105792)

Aug 11, 2010, 2:08 AM
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If you're doing AFF (arguably the most popular intruction method) and I understand your question correctly, your first training jump will involve considerable freefall time, 40 seconds or more.

The static-line progression (the major alternative to AFF) works up to freefall gradually, which is what you may be thinking of - although hop and pops from 10,000ft don't sound likely just yet, as static line starts from low altitude and works its way up.

Have I got you right?


jakee  (C License)

Aug 11, 2010, 4:24 AM
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I just started skydiving and I understand that in as few as 5 jumps you can do a 10,000' hop n pop. My question is what comes after that and at what point can you do a jump in which you have considerable free fall time? In other words you are not deploying the canopy almost immediately after letting go of the aircraft.

You have definitely misunderstood something that you've read or been told.

Phone up the DZs in your area and ask them to lay out what's involved in their training syllabus, jump by jump.


DARK  (B 31685)

Aug 11, 2010, 5:32 AM
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I just started skydiving and I understand that in as few as 5 jumps you can do a 10,000' hop n pop

you understand wrong

progression is generally

7 aff levels jumping from 13,000 or there abouts with 2 instructors for the first 3 and 1 instructor for the rest(if you pass them all first time). you would be deploying at around 5,500 after around 40 secs of freefall

then you are cleared for solos were you need to do a certain number of coach jumps and a 5,500 hop and pop and a 3,500 hop and pop and pack your own parachute as part of the requirements to get your a licence


sundevil777  (D License)

Aug 11, 2010, 5:34 AM
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What kind of jumps have you done already? AFF, Tandem, or static line?

That will help us answer your question without confusing you more.


thrillstalker  (C 40678)

Aug 11, 2010, 1:23 PM
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Beer


GLIDEANGLE  (D 30292)

Aug 11, 2010, 3:03 PM
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A landing... of some sort!


GLIDEANGLE  (D 30292)

Aug 11, 2010, 3:08 PM
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This should be helpful to you:

http://www.uspa.org/...abid/65/Default.aspx


7055

Aug 11, 2010, 3:38 PM
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What kind of jumps have you done already? AFF, Tandem, or static line?

That will help us answer your question without confusing you more.

I have done two static line jumps. The way they have it outlined is you do two static line jumps with good arch, and three more static line jumps with practice rip cord pulls and then a hop n pop.


wolfriverjoe  (A 50013)

Aug 11, 2010, 4:30 PM
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What kind of jumps have you done already? AFF, Tandem, or static line?

That will help us answer your question without confusing you more.

I have done two static line jumps. The way they have it outlined is you do two static line jumps with good arch, and three more static line jumps with practice rip cord pulls and then a hop n pop.

Right. But the H&P isn't from 10K. That would be a long, long canopy ride. It's from the same altitude as the static line and PRCPs.

After that you start doing delay falls (Freefalls) from progressively higher altitudes. When I did it, they had me do "10 second" delays, then "15 second" delays (doing nothing more than falling stable or simple turns). The 15 sec were from about 6000 feet. After that, they had me stop counting and use the altimiter (although I was using it during the delay falls too).
Then I was cleared for self-supervision solo jumps and coach jumps.

This is all stuff your instructors should tell you.

Hope that helps.


7055

Aug 11, 2010, 9:43 PM
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What kind of jumps have you done already? AFF, Tandem, or static line?

That will help us answer your question without confusing you more.

I have done two static line jumps. The way they have it outlined is you do two static line jumps with good arch, and three more static line jumps with practice rip cord pulls and then a hop n pop.

Right. But the H&P isn't from 10K. That would be a long, long canopy ride. It's from the same altitude as the static line and PRCPs.

After that you start doing delay falls (Freefalls) from progressively higher altitudes. When I did it, they had me do "10 second" delays, then "15 second" delays (doing nothing more than falling stable or simple turns). The 15 sec were from about 6000 feet. After that, they had me stop counting and use the altimiter (although I was using it during the delay falls too).
Then I was cleared for self-supervision solo jumps and coach jumps.

This is all stuff your instructors should tell you.

Hope that helps.

When you are doing the delay freefalls are you working on getting cleared for solo or are you already? Does an instructor fall with you? What does it mean to be cleared for solo?


jake95

Aug 11, 2010, 11:50 PM
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Their is clearly somthing wrong with your instruction if u are asking these questions. I doubt u have any jumps yet or even talk to an intructor. That's ok you don't need jumps to talk on these forums.


Morne  (B License)

Aug 12, 2010, 1:11 AM
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Their is clearly somthing wrong with your instruction if u are asking these questions. I doubt u have any jumps yet or even talk to an intructor. That's ok you don't need jumps to talk on these forums.

Crazy - too true hey....

I understood the entire progression from jump number 0...


Manuel1  (Student)

Aug 12, 2010, 4:53 AM
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Their is clearly somthing wrong with your instruction if u are asking these questions. I doubt u have any jumps yet or even talk to an intructor. That's ok you don't need jumps to talk on these forums.

Crazy - too true hey....

I understood the entire progression from jump number 0...


Same here. I have a written outline of what is expected on each jump along with the altitude of that jump. Also in my log book my instructor puts in what is next along with a one on one talk with on what is going to be covered on the following jump and how I did on the previous jump.


wolfriverjoe  (A 50013)

Aug 12, 2010, 6:36 AM
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When you are doing the delay freefalls are you working on getting cleared for solo or are you already? Does an instructor fall with you? What does it mean to be cleared for solo?

On the delay falls I was being jumpmastered by an instructor who spotted, called the cut and told me to go (by the 3rd jump I didn't need the "Get your feet out and stop, go all the way out and hang, GO! commands). Just like with the S/L and PRCPs he would stay in the plane and watch out the door as I fell. Because I was only falling a couple thousand feet he could tell how I did.

Once I was cleared for solo self-supevision, I would ride the plane up with tandems or other jumpers and do a solo jump.

Once again, your instructors should have told you this. Where are you jumping? (filling the rest of your profile out would help)

Are you doing this as a structured progression?
Or have you done a couple static line jumps as one-time deals and want to go on?


Premier Remster  (C License)

Aug 12, 2010, 7:45 AM
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Their is clearly somthing wrong with your instruction if u are asking these questions. I doubt u have any jumps yet or even talk to an intructor. That's ok you don't need jumps to talk on these forums.

Crazy - too true hey....

I understood the entire progression from jump number 0...


Same here. I have a written outline of what is expected on each jump along with the altitude of that jump. Also in my log book my instructor puts in what is next along with a one on one talk with on what is going to be covered on the following jump and how I did on the previous jump.

Good god... take a chill pill guys...

In many small DZ, IAD/SL is the introductory method for 1st jumps. You can then do another one with the same basic ground school.

After that, if you sign up for more jumps, then you get a more detailed explanation of the progression. But If all you did was asked a general question at manifest or an instructor in passing, the info would probably be pretty general...


jimmytavino  (A 3914)

Aug 12, 2010, 10:52 AM
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 for clarification a Hop & Pop from 10,000 feet should more correctly be called a "cross-country" parachute jump...

a person in the static line program would not yet have the savvy and experience under canopy to handle the subtleties of a descent from 10 grand...Unimpressed

Fly downwind to fast ,, to far, and you're hosed...Unsure hang back to long and you flirt with not reaching the DZ..Frown
Miscalculate the spot,, and exit to soon or too late, and (depending on wind condidtions) you could be in trouble as well....Unimpressed

when those of us who came up, through static line ( Aff and tandem had not yet been invented) were doing our early freefall jumps, all of them were basically Hop and Pops,,, Until we got up to terminal velocity,, back then a hop and pop was anything in the 5 to 7 second range...
High altitude H& P's are a whole different thing, and require a real goooood understanding of canopy performance, the effects of the wind on YOUR main, @ Your wingloading And the availablity of safe and accesssible OUTS... should you be unable to reach the DZ...
be patient... if you ARE in a static line program make the most of each canopy flight, and learn learn learn.. get yourself up and into terminal velocity jumps,, where SUDDENLY !! you'll find that previous body control issues can be resolved due to the faster speed of freefall.
get the A license, then make as many H & P's as you like, and as the DZO allows...

jmy
A 3914
D 12122


7055

Aug 12, 2010, 5:41 PM
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When you are doing the delay freefalls are you working on getting cleared for solo or are you already? Does an instructor fall with you? What does it mean to be cleared for solo?

On the delay falls I was being jumpmastered by an instructor who spotted, called the cut and told me to go (by the 3rd jump I didn't need the "Get your feet out and stop, go all the way out and hang, GO! commands). Just like with the S/L and PRCPs he would stay in the plane and watch out the door as I fell. Because I was only falling a couple thousand feet he could tell how I did.

Once I was cleared for solo self-supevision, I would ride the plane up with tandems or other jumpers and do a solo jump.

Once again, your instructors should have told you this. Where are you jumping? (filling the rest of your profile out would help)

Are you doing this as a structured progression?
Or have you done a couple static line jumps as one-time deals and want to go on?

Thanks for the info, I am jumping at skydive KC.

Yes I got a logbook and it has the altitudes, for some reason I thought it was 10k but it's 4200. And yes the logbook does indeed tell me what I need to do to progress but it doesn't say anything after the 4200' hop n pop other than a little info about licenses.

I would have asked the instructor some of this stuff last time but I was kind of caught up in the moment. To clarify I have done two static line jumps and I'm thinking about going on.

If someone could give me more info about being cleared for solo, what it is, how many jumps it takes. I would appreciate it. I am guessing that's what comes next after your hop n pop?


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stratostar  (Student)

Aug 12, 2010, 8:12 PM
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To clarify I have done two static line jumps and I'm thinking about going on.

Providing your school is using the USPA ISP training program, and you have been cleared to the 3rd jump of the Static Line progression, your next jump (3rd) should be a "pratice pull" or DRCP jump, where you jump out and act like your opening your chute, you'll do that for 3 jumps, then if all gose well your 6th jump would be your first free fall where you are opening the parachute not the static line, it's been removed.... you can read up on all that and a bunch of other detalis, here http://www.uspa.org/SIM.aspx


dks13827  (C 9293)

Aug 12, 2010, 8:14 PM
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Forgive me, but are you for real ?

I suggest you go hang at the DZ for most of a day, not jumping. Watch, listen, learn, and sure, ask questions !!! Most jumpers like that, as long as they are not in the middle of something. :)


wolfriverjoe  (A 50013)

Aug 12, 2010, 9:13 PM
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Thanks for the info, I am jumping at skydive KC.

Yes I got a logbook and it has the altitudes, for some reason I thought it was 10k but it's 4200. And yes the logbook does indeed tell me what I need to do to progress but it doesn't say anything after the 4200' hop n pop other than a little info about licenses.

I would have asked the instructor some of this stuff last time but I was kind of caught up in the moment. To clarify I have done two static line jumps and I'm thinking about going on.

If someone could give me more info about being cleared for solo, what it is, how many jumps it takes. I would appreciate it. I am guessing that's what comes next after your hop n pop?

Like someone else said, go hang out at the DZ. Plan on spending all day. It's a fun place. Listen, have fun, meet people and make friends.

You'll learn a lot too.

For me, getting cleared for self-supervised solo jumps was after the timed delay falls, and a couple from full altitude with an instructor jumping with me.

Not right after the H&P. I had to have the basics of spotting down, show the ability to regain stability in freefall (they had me do front and back loops) and the ability to pull stable at the assigned altitude before I was cleared.

What it lets you do is solo jumps without having to pay for an instructor to jump with you. You still want to go over a dive plan with them, and have things to work on. That can be freefall manuvers like front and back loops, it can be tracking, it can be other things. You also want to have tasks to accomplish under canopy (you don't need to be at solo status to do your canopy drills). Riser turns, flat turns, slow flight and stalls.

THIS Post has a list of suggestions for what to do on solo jumps.


7055

Aug 12, 2010, 9:36 PM
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Their is clearly somthing wrong with your instruction if u are asking these questions. I doubt u have any jumps yet or even talk to an intructor. That's ok you don't need jumps to talk on these forums.

Crazy - too true hey....

I understood the entire progression from jump number 0...


Same here. I have a written outline of what is expected on each jump along with the altitude of that jump. Also in my log book my instructor puts in what is next along with a one on one talk with on what is going to be covered on the following jump and how I did on the previous jump.

Good god... take a chill pill guys...

In many small DZ, IAD/SL is the introductory method for 1st jumps. You can then do another one with the same basic ground school.

After that, if you sign up for more jumps, then you get a more detailed explanation of the progression. But If all you did was asked a general question at manifest or an instructor in passing, the info would probably be pretty general...

That is exactly my scenario. They have not explained to me anything about progression, just the info necessary to do my first, and then second SL jump. The only info I have on progression has come from my log book and searching the internet.


ufk22  (D 16168)

Aug 12, 2010, 10:00 PM
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I just started skydiving and I understand that in as few as 5 jumps you can do a 10,000' hop n pop. My question is what comes after that and at what point can you do a jump in which you have considerable free fall time? In other words you are not deploying the canopy almost immediately after letting go of the aircraft.


Ummm...

If ya got two in now you're only three away from the 10grand H&P!

What comes next is your instructor rating! [;)
That's the way it was back in the 80's


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