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captain1976  (D 7183)

Apr 29, 2010, 4:12 PM
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We are talking 1970s here.
The question came up the other day while we waited for a load with some other veterans who started in the round days. As a jumpmaster and instructor, I remember the norm was 5 static line jumps.

Then you would progress to 3 clear & pulls, followed by 3 delays of 5, 10, and 20 seconds. After that a 30 second delay and then released from training.

Most of us made 5 (except for me, I made 11and didn't get on 30s for 70 jumps). But a couple of guys said they made 3 and then their clear and pulls.


mwabd1  (D 25298)

Apr 29, 2010, 4:17 PM
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While I do not yet qualify as "old timer" that is the same type of static line progression I went through in 1997.

2 static lines

3 PRCP's on static line

followed by the first freefall


captain1976  (D 7183)

Apr 29, 2010, 4:23 PM
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While I do not yet qualify as "old timer" that is the same type of static line progression I went through in 1997.

2 static lines

3 PRCP's on static line

followed by the first freefall

Wow, I didn't know they used that method past the 80's anyway.


usedtajump  (D 6813)

Apr 29, 2010, 4:47 PM
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According to the logbooks, seven training and ten demo SL jumps.


howardwhite  (C 3896)

Apr 29, 2010, 4:56 PM
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Allow me to talk mid 60's.
2 static lines
3 static line practice pulls
First freefall (same day as last DRCP)
2 more 5s
3 10s
3 15s
And you're on your own.

HW


jimjumper  (D 11137)

Apr 29, 2010, 5:06 PM
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6 static lines including 3 DRCP's. 1983 Lakewood NJ.


airtwardo  (D License)

Apr 29, 2010, 5:16 PM
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We are talking 1970s here.
The question came up the other day while we waited for a load with some other veterans who started in the round days. As a jumpmaster and instructor, I remember the norm was 5 static line jumps.

Then you would progress to 3 clear & pulls, followed by 3 delays of 5, 10, and 20 seconds. After that a 30 second delay and then released from training.

Most of us made 5 (except for me, I made 11and didn't get on 30s for 70 jumps). But a couple of guys said they made 3 and then their clear and pulls.

I made 3 back in '76.

Then I was supposed to do one clear & pull and then on to a 5...ended up doing 3 clear & pulls, guess I was counting TOO FAST! Wink

Edited to add: where I learned, if you did 2 successful DCRP's in a row you were cleared for C&P's...some guys took a lot more than 6 to get the two in a row. Pirate


(This post was edited by airtwardo on Apr 29, 2010, 5:19 PM)


Premier faulknerwn  (D 17441)
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Apr 29, 2010, 5:37 PM
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That was what I was supposed to do in 1993! Course I sucked and did 20 instead ;-)


skybill  (D 6009)

Apr 29, 2010, 6:05 PM
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Hi Cap,
Pretty much what Howard said. After my clear and pull though the training was pretty loose. Still had to do the drill and knew how to pack since my 2nd jump and had my own rig!! Think I spent about $25 on it!!


JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Apr 29, 2010, 6:57 PM
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Hi captain,

I did nine because of the req'ment to make your last DRCP & 1st freefall on the same day.

I would make what should have been my last DRCP jump then we would get weathered out, the plane would quit working, etc, etc, ect. Crazy

The next weekend we would start all over again with my 'last' DRCP jump. Mad

Welcome to the 'old days.' Cool

JerryBaumchen


jimartle

Apr 29, 2010, 6:58 PM
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August 1969, 2 S/L, 3 DRCP's, 2 3 sec delays, 3 5 sec delays, 3 10 sec delays, 3 15's, 3 20's then up to "seven five" for the first 30 sec delays. BTW my first demo was my second 15 sec delay into a friend's back yard. Thank God it was a farm and a BIG back yard jumping a 28' 1.1 TU.


airtwardo  (D License)

Apr 29, 2010, 7:03 PM
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poppenhager  (D 47)

Apr 29, 2010, 7:27 PM
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As of 1/1970 no static line jumps were used at my DZ (South Florida Parachute) Indiantown,Fl.All students started with 5 sec delays and were exempt from the USPA required S.L.'s.Retention of students doubled after we started the FF program.And our students progressed much faster than SL programs................POP


Andy9o8  (D License)

Apr 29, 2010, 7:28 PM
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We are talking 1970s here.
The question came up the other day while we waited for a load with some other veterans who started in the round days. As a jumpmaster and instructor, I remember the norm was 5 static line jumps.

Then you would progress to 3 clear & pulls, followed by 3 delays of 5, 10, and 20 seconds. After that a 30 second delay and then released from training..

That was our method, too, except we had to do 3 stable 30s to get released. I also had to do 1 extra recurrency DRCP after a winter off somewhere in the middle of the progression.


Guru312  (C 6814)

Apr 29, 2010, 8:06 PM
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We are talking 1970s here.

I'm talking 1960 here.

I went through the Basic Airborne School at Ft. Bragg in March, 1960. I began sport jumping in August or September. I had 7 or 8 T-10 military jumps before joining the XVIII Abn Corps SPC.

The Corps club required that all members learn how to pack before jumping. I jumped my own packing from the beginning. Other than the packing requirement our progression was pretty much like what Howard, Airtwardo and others have described. I'm pretty sure the club required 3 30s and 3 60s before getting off student status. If I remember correctly--which I doubt I am--we began spotting on 15s.

The club atmosphere was really great for learning.

What boggles my mind most--coming from the learn to pack first and jump your own packing school--is the current practice of tandem jumps and paying someone to pack.

Tandems and not jumping one's own packing are a sacrilege and an offense to the Sky God.


skypuppy  (D 347)

Apr 29, 2010, 8:09 PM
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I think I did 7 back in 79. Of course, did a bunch more for fun after I became an instructor.... In fact, did one a year or two ago on an old cobra round in a pioneer sport pack.

That method is still used by a couple of dz;s up here in the great white north.... With square parachutes, of course.


Bip  (D 573)

Apr 29, 2010, 10:23 PM
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I did 4 fjc's between 76 and 84. I probably did 40 - 60 Static line jumps. It was the freefall I could not handle. Finally got qualified in 85 when I did AFF with Jack Gregory. Smile


murrays  (C 1285)

Apr 29, 2010, 10:51 PM
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I did a total of 9 SL jumps before being allowed to terrorize the skies with unstable clear and pulls Laugh This was in 1980 in Saskatoon Saskatchewan Canada.


jdobleman  (D 7790)

Apr 29, 2010, 11:32 PM
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Antioch, 1979. 7 static lines, 1 clear and pull, then 3 each 5 sec, 10, 15 20 and 30. On my first 5 second, with an inboard ripcord, I took my eyes off the handle to help my arch and grabbed my harness instead, gave two strong pulls then went to my bellywart reserve. Jumpmaster Skiz St.Goar was not happy with me at all.

madjohn


dragon2  (D 101989)

Apr 30, 2010, 4:13 AM
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In reply to:
While I do not yet qualify as "old timer" that is the same type of static line progression I went through in 1997.

2 static lines

3 PRCP's on static line

followed by the first freefall

Wow, I didn't know they used that method past the 80's anyway.

They still do.

Over here it's now :3 x good SL exits, 2x good and consecutive PRCPs, 1x 10 or 5 sec delay (depends on DZ), up you go, c&p comes later.


howardwhite  (C 3896)

Apr 30, 2010, 4:27 AM
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I'm pretty sure the club required 3 30s and 3 60s before getting off student status.
What sort of airplane would take you to 60s on student status in the sixties? Certainly not one used at a civilian DZ.

HW


jimmytavino  (A 3914)

Apr 30, 2010, 5:25 AM
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the minimum...
FIVE.....

went from
"never in an airplane",, to freefall,, over the course of two weeks time.... in the fall of 1972....

the gear was huge.Crazy the step was small.Shocked
BUT my enthusiasm was REAL!!!. Wink

our JM's were tough on who got into FF and who needed "to be stable First!!!!"
I knew many MANY people who did DOZENS of static line jumps... of course they were ONLY 10 bucks each,, at the time Cool

( i saved up All MY stability issues, till i got into terminal velocity freefall !!!!! ) THEN once in a while things could get Interesting!!!AngelicTongueWink )

jt
A 3914


Premier wmw999  (D 6296)

Apr 30, 2010, 5:57 AM
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Allow me to talk mid 60's.
2 static lines
3 static line practice pulls
First freefall (same day as last DRCP)
2 more 5s
3 10s
3 15s
And you're on your own.
That was at least the stated progression in the mid-70's when I trained too. We were supposedly on student status for the 3 20's and 3 30's, but other than having someone check my spot for dangerousness that was the extent of supervision.

But I made 7 static lines. I remember being told when I got to 15's that I had to buy an altimeter -- they wouldn't let me progress past 10's without one.

Wendy P.


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airdvr  (D 10977)

Apr 30, 2010, 6:05 AM
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5 in 1981


Guru312  (C 6814)

Apr 30, 2010, 6:41 AM
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What sort of airplane would take you to 60s on student status in the sixties? Certainly not one used at a civilian DZ. HW

Not many would. The club was at Ft. Bragg---home of the Airborne. We had all kinds of aircraft available. If I can find my logbook I'll list them. My first 10 or more sport jumps--all my sport S/L-- were from helicopters.

Jumping a big helicopter, I think the H-21, was like stepping out of a door. No propblast and almost no forward motion.

The aircraft were awesome but the rigs sucked. The Army Team was jumping 7-TU rigs which were the hot canopy. My first dozen or so jumps were T-slot or double L rigs. Looking back, I realize the prohibition for not jumping a 7TU was more a status than safety issue.

And, of course, we jumped in coveralls and wore football helmets.


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