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Non Injury Reserve Canopy Tree Landing, St. Marys, GA, USA, Jan 1, 2010

 


leewilcox  (D 3168)

Jan 3, 2010, 1:06 AM
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Article quote: "... his emergency parachute opened too early... "

Link in news article includes air video of deployment during R/W

News Article
http://www.news4jax.com/...2107544/detail.html#

Dropzone:
http://thejumpingplace.com/


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BobMoore  (D 13136)

Jan 3, 2010, 2:11 AM
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Article quote: "... his emergency parachute opened too early... "

"causing him to drift off course." Too funny.


tombuch  (D 8514)

Jan 3, 2010, 2:18 AM
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Not a terrible story for a local TV station. I loved this quote: "He has done a lot of jumps. He has been jumping for a year and he said this was his 26th."


piisfish

Jan 3, 2010, 4:24 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
Article quote: "... his emergency parachute opened too early... "

"causing him to drift off course." Too funny.
could be if it was a round reserve


Ryno118  (C 107827)

Jan 3, 2010, 4:52 AM
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But about one or two minutes into free falling, his emergency parachute opened too early
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WOW! What alt did he jump from?


Andy9o8  (D License)

Jan 3, 2010, 5:56 AM
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"Jumper lands in a tree during off-DZ landing; Whuffo press story has some inaccuracies." Not even sure this qualifies as an "Incident". Maybe a Safety & Training anecdote.


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dharma1976  (D 28634)

Jan 3, 2010, 6:06 AM
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if this is the only incident from the holiday boogie season I will take it :-)


Andy9o8  (D License)

Jan 3, 2010, 6:14 AM
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if this is the only incident from the holiday boogie season I will take it :-)

True dat.




Scrumpot  (D License)

Jan 3, 2010, 7:30 AM
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So, anyone have any factual further info regarding this?

- Premature AAD Fire?
- AAD Brand & Type?
- Further investigation or follow-up to take place as a result of the fire?

Looks like in the video, that the fire took place shortly after completion of a backloop. Can we get factual information regarding the actual AGL of that backloop, if it had anything at all to do with this, and the actual AAD fire/reserve deployment alt.?

Yeah, it's real interesting and funny - the perceptions of the whuffo media and all ("He's got a lot of jumps, and he's been doing this for a while... he's been jumping for more than a year, and he's got 26 jumps" Crazy) - but it would be nice to know/learn/determine too, maybe a little more out of this one, where clearly we have the ability to as well.

Anyone got any of the more pertinent details perhaps, to all this?


theonlyski  (D License)

Jan 3, 2010, 8:11 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
In reply to:
Article quote: "... his emergency parachute opened too early... "

"causing him to drift off course." Too funny.
could be if it was a round reserve

But it was a square Wink


billeisele  (A 5643)

Jan 3, 2010, 11:53 AM
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Not a terrible story for a local TV station. I loved this quote: "He has done a lot of jumps. He has been jumping for a year and he said this was his 26th."

acording to the news article this was a night jump - of course that is not true either

St Mary's is not exactly a skydiving mecca, I figure that if the news media doesn't know you then you run a fairly good DZ otherwise they would have been there before and included those facts in the article


leewilcox  (D 3168)

Jan 3, 2010, 11:17 PM
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Would the person who moved this thread from the Incidents forum to Safety and Training kindly explain the reason(s) for this move?


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Jan 3, 2010, 11:41 PM
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>Would the person who moved this thread from the Incidents forum to
>Safety and Training kindly explain the reason(s) for this move?

The purpose of the Icidents forum is to report, discuss and learn from fatal and serious non-fatal incidents. This was neither fatal nor serious, and is more a safety issue.


Reginald  (D 28162)

Jan 4, 2010, 9:39 AM
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I'll give the kid some credit. Regardless of how the problem started he did a few things right.

1. He said he recognized at 1,500 feet he wasn't going to make it back to the airport and identified a "large" alternate landing area. At 26 jumps he didn't have the skill to land in it but good effort for trying to find an out. Sure he might have done it higher but 1,500 is better than 150 feet.

2. He followed appropriate "tree landing" procedures by protecting himself and holding onto a branch and waiting for help.

All in all pretty good from someone with 26 jumps. I wonder if this was his first jump as an A license holder? If so what a memorable one!


champu  (D 28302)

Jan 4, 2010, 12:26 PM
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In the video you can see the reserve pin cover flap a couple times before the pilot chute comes out. Not knowing any better I'd guess the pin was partially dislodged and came out as the rig was shifted about in freefall. Useful tips that are irrelevant if I'm wrong but still good advice:

1) Check your reserve pin for proper seating.
2) Make sure you use a reserve ripcord with a correctly sized cable for the harness/container you are using
3) Try to jump a rig that has flaps that don't come open in freefall.


skyjumpenfool  (Student)

Jan 4, 2010, 7:33 PM
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I'll give the kid some credit. Regardless of how the problem started he did a few things right..................

And, no low, last minute, panic mode, hard hook turn to avoid a tree, followed by a loud thud!!

Nice Job! You landed in a tree and you lived to jump again. Lesson learned by all of us. (I Hope!)


theonlyski  (D License)

Jan 4, 2010, 8:03 PM
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In the video you can see the reserve pin cover flap a couple times before the pilot chute comes out. Not knowing any better I'd guess the pin was partially dislodged and came out as the rig was shifted about in freefall. Useful tips that are irrelevant if I'm wrong but still good advice:

1) Check your reserve pin for proper seating.
2) Make sure you use a reserve ripcord with a correctly sized cable for the harness/container you are using
3) Try to jump a rig that has flaps that don't come open in freefall.

Ive jumped a borrowed rig that I had to be careful how much I arched, because the reserve ripcord was short enough that a good deep arch could have dislodged the pin.

Was a problem for me, not for the owner of the rig...


drkramm  (B 34304)

Jan 5, 2010, 4:07 AM
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"the jumping place" lol


Zymurdoo  (D 16833)

Jan 5, 2010, 5:30 AM
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Quote from article comment "schimingin 1 day ago
That sounds like a lot of fun!!"

Well at least they had some positive results from the story.

I still can't figure out how he missed the landing area from the video. I suppose they may have been downwind to begin with.


amstalder  (B License)

Jan 7, 2010, 5:54 AM
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According to the email sent out by the dz yesterday, his AAD was sent to a higher altitude than normal (dont know what brand, dont know what altitude), and it fired.

The email also made sure to point out that he was either going to land in that tree or the swamp. (I know the few times I jumped there I was really uncomfortable with landing out because of the lack of options.)


JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Jan 7, 2010, 3:01 PM
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Hi amstadler,

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his AAD was sent to a higher altitude than normal

Reminds me of a good friend of mine who used to jump with an ASTRA AAD. He forgot to turn it one & asked another jumper in the plane to turn it on for him.

Oops, he was open ~3500 ft on his reserve. Shocked

I only found out when he called to see if I had a new cutter in stock.

JerryBaumchen



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