Forums: Skydiving: Skydiving History & Trivia:
Belly reserve?

 

First page Previous page 1 2 Next page Last page  View All

steve1  (D 23640)

Mar 17, 2009, 2:09 PM
Post #1 of 34 (2145 views)
Shortcut
Belly reserve? Can't Post

I'm kicking around the idea of buying a chest mt. reserve. I have a para-commander in an old Style-master back pack.

Which reserve would you recommend? Any ideas where I might pick one up? I was also wondering what a person might have to pay for a safe set up.

Back in the 70's a 26' conical was a good reserve to own. I had a couple rides on two different 24 foot, flat reserves. I sure don't want to try that again....


stratostar  (Student)

Mar 17, 2009, 2:18 PM
Post #2 of 34 (2128 views)
Shortcut
Re: [steve1] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

Strong lopo in a style master or super pro, pop tops are nice too, free if find the right old timer or any where from 50 to 200 bucks, look around and ask around. Most of mine I got free or for 50 bucks.


jackwallace  (Student)

Mar 17, 2009, 3:27 PM
Post #3 of 34 (2104 views)
Shortcut
Re: [steve1] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

Super pro reserve containers totaled. I had a line tied from the handle to the top flap to yank it open. The 26 foot lopo still the best round reserve. I have a tri-conical I sell ya cheap. They opened and then you got to the end of the lines.


darkwing  (D 4164)

Mar 17, 2009, 4:05 PM
Post #4 of 34 (2087 views)
Shortcut
Re: [steve1] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

I second the Strong Lopo.


JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Mar 17, 2009, 6:55 PM
Post #5 of 34 (2052 views)
Shortcut
Re: [steve1] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

Hi steve,

IMO any of those containers listed by other posters would work quite well. Terry Urban just picked up a PopTop somewhere ( I think from ebay, maybe he'll update us ).

Any 26 ft LoPo should work just fine.

I've never heard of a SuperPro reserve container totalling; during a test jump this last summer one of them worked as designed. Tongue

JerryBaumchen


piper17  (D 3362)

Mar 18, 2009, 5:57 AM
Post #6 of 34 (1988 views)
Shortcut
Re: [jackwallace] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

Wildman...all you would need to do is install a diaper. Nice openings after that.


lucky508  (B 15469)

Mar 18, 2009, 6:30 AM
Post #7 of 34 (1972 views)
Shortcut
Re: [piper17] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

If you have a hard time finding a complete set up or container you can always go with a T-10 chest container. You can get a 26er in them. Just add a belly band and your good to go.

ATW,
CK


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Mar 18, 2009, 9:48 AM
Post #8 of 34 (1949 views)
Shortcut
Re: [darkwing] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

In reply to:
I second the Strong Lopo.

..................................................................

I third the Strong Lopo.Stick with conical Lopos made by Strong or Free Flight Enterprises, because they were the only manufacturers to stick with MIL SPEC mesh.
During the 1980s some other manufacturers (Handbury, National, Pioneer, Security, etc.) cheaped-out by sewing in non-MIL SPEC mesh, then had problems iwth canopy fabric rotting out.
Even if a canopy consistently tested acid-free (bromocreasol or litmus paper) after twenty years of pull-testing, the fabric is definitely weakened.

For example, last week I dribbled bromocreasol green liquid on two GQ Security 26foot Lopos, made in 1983. The first Lopo flashed yellow and got stuffed back in the attic.
The second Security Lopo tested blue and got packed into a pilot emergency parachute.

Most older riggers have bromocreasol green and tensile testing tools. Most younger riggers do not want to be bothered with 1980s-vintage round canopies.


steve1  (D 23640)

Mar 18, 2009, 10:20 AM
Post #9 of 34 (1945 views)
Shortcut
Re: [riggerrob] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for the advice all! I think I'll check with Fred at Lost Prairie. He's a Master Rigger, and he can probably steer me onto a safe reserve. I'm leary about using an old reserve canopy.

I had a stylemaster reserve container back in the 70's. It was a nightmare trying to get it closed up with a 24 ft. reserve inside.

I mostly jumped a Super-Pro main container, back then. It too was a nightmare to get closed up with a para-commander. Really a tight set-up....

I was wondering what I need to do to get current again, as a senior rigger (to pack a chest mt.) I had a chest mt. rating back in the day. My knowledge is limited, but I have packed a lot of these reserves. They seemed simple enough to pack....


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Mar 18, 2009, 11:21 AM
Post #10 of 34 (1933 views)
Shortcut
Re: [steve1] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

To get re-current - packing chest-mounted reserves - the FAA would probably expect you to repack a few under the supervision of another rigger who is current on chest-mounts.


piper17  (D 3362)

Mar 18, 2009, 11:28 AM
Post #11 of 34 (1930 views)
Shortcut
Re: [JerryBaumchen] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

Well, back in the day...early 70s...when I was jumping a complete Super-Pro system with a PC in the main and a Navy 26' conical in the reserve container (tight fit), I bent the top pin on my main container hitting the top of the doorway on the C-182.

When I couldn't pull the main, I rolled over and pulled the reserve ripcord; the container stayed closed. I had to grap the top flap and open the container manually.

Probably a matter of too much reserve in too small of a reserve container! Still, it got my full attention and the adrenaline was flowing rapidly!


(This post was edited by piper17 on Mar 18, 2009, 11:42 AM)


JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Mar 18, 2009, 3:11 PM
Post #12 of 34 (1902 views)
Shortcut
Re: [piper17] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

Hi Jim,

Quote:
Still, it got my full attention and the adrenaline was flowing rapidly!

That it will!!!!!! Tongue

Do you remember if the reserve container was a 2-pin or a 1-pin? The one that I have is a 1-pin with a cone that rotates for various types of ripcords.

JerryBaumchen


jackwallace  (Student)

Mar 18, 2009, 4:12 PM
Post #13 of 34 (1890 views)
Shortcut
Re: [piper17] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

In reply to:
Wildman...all you would need to do is install a diaper. Nice openings after that.

Nope. THe one I have has the diaper I built for it. Still bite ya. I use to jump one as a main too. Had a pull down center, french lip and a couple extra drive holes. In a bag and finally with a wrap on it like a Delta 2. Ask Cabone about the time I lent it to him but undid the wrap, cause I knew he was going to hum it. You could hear him grunt from the ground when it bit him. Ask Hank where he got the idea for the Piglet. We were on the Godfrogs together. I even turned the main inside out on opening a couple times, but still landed it.


piper17  (D 3362)

Mar 19, 2009, 5:48 AM
Post #14 of 34 (1846 views)
Shortcut
Re: [JerryBaumchen] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

I believe (after 30+ years) that it was a one pin with a rotating cone. Because of problems with dislocating shoulders (both at different times), I had it converted to a center pull so I could use either hand to pull it.


piper17  (D 3362)

Mar 19, 2009, 5:58 AM
Post #15 of 34 (1844 views)
Shortcut
Re: [jackwallace] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

What type of diaper did you use? Pioneer used on that held the canopy skirt closed with one or two bights of one line group (as I recall after many years) while some other manufacturers used both line groups and stowed all the lines. At Silly's request, we evaluated that system but experienced line dump so we stuck with the type of diaper we had been using. Again...this is after many years and the memory is a "little" fuzzy.Unsure


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Mar 19, 2009, 10:45 AM
Post #16 of 34 (1817 views)
Shortcut
Re: [piper17] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

You are talking about the difference between two bite and full-stow diapers.
Early Strong Lopos used only two rubber bands and only the left line group was used to hold the diaper closed. All the rest of the lines were stowed in rubber bands in the pack tray. Para-Cushion pilot emergency parachutes are still packed as Type 2.

Later, Type 3 (Phantom and SAC) and Type 4 diapers (Preserve, modern Strong Lopos, etc.) stow all the lines on the diaper.


piper17  (D 3362)

Mar 19, 2009, 11:31 AM
Post #17 of 34 (1813 views)
Shortcut
Re: [riggerrob] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

yep...that's what I was talking about.


Hammitt  (D 4233)

Mar 19, 2009, 7:44 PM
Post #18 of 34 (1774 views)
Shortcut
Re: [piper17] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

My first PigRig in 1975 was a Top Secret. I had a 26' Navy Conical that I had to take the sea anchors off of so it would fit. Boy was that a tedious job. Even with the anchors off, it was a very tight fit. It had a four line release. I used that reserve three different times. The four line release worked great.

I had a PC in it at that time. When I got my Strator Star later that year I also got a Security LoPo with a four line release also. I never got a chance to ride that canopy. I think it's still out in the shed somewhere.


skyjumpenfool  (Student)

Mar 28, 2009, 8:05 PM
Post #19 of 34 (1641 views)
Shortcut
Re: [Hammitt] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

Nothing cooler than laying on your back watching your reserve deploy...Cool


jonstark  (D 8298)

Mar 29, 2009, 7:36 AM
Post #20 of 34 (1606 views)
Shortcut
Re: [skyjumpenfool] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

In reply to:
Nothing cooler than laying on your back watching your reserve deploy...Cool

especially when it was a 24' flat made out of TWILL !!!

(oh please don't blow up, oh please don't blow up...)


JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Mar 29, 2009, 10:40 AM
Post #21 of 34 (1579 views)
Shortcut
Re: [jonstark] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

Hi jon,

Quote:
Nothing cooler than laying on your back watching your reserve deploy . . . especially when it was a 24' flat made out of TWILL

Even better is laying on your back and watching the POB's pull back the flaps and watching your 24' flat twill NOT deploy ( no reserve pilot chute in those early days ). I just sat there far about a second watching the folded canopy as it just was laying there on my belly and not going anywhere. I finally just swung my hand at it to get it to move. Did that twice, 2nd time I was an 'old hand' at it. Cool

JerryBaumchen


jonstark  (D 8298)

Mar 29, 2009, 11:34 AM
Post #22 of 34 (1574 views)
Shortcut
Re: [JerryBaumchen] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

Hey Jerry,

I didn't give mine a chance to sit there. I was just about back to terminal and after finally getting the reserve handle pulled after a hard reserve pull ripped open the container, grabbed a big wad between both hands and chucked it for all I was worth. Put french boot prints on the top of my Bell. Immediately modified my rig with high reserve links. Shoulda learned the first time but Nooo..


JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Mar 29, 2009, 1:28 PM
Post #23 of 34 (1554 views)
Shortcut
Re: [jonstark] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

Hi jon,

Quote:
Put french boot prints on the top of my Bell.

+1 Crazy

JerryBaumchen


ripcord4  (D 2238)

Mar 30, 2009, 1:53 PM
Post #24 of 34 (1494 views)
Shortcut
Re: [JerryBaumchen] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

Ditto that, guys! First freefall I had to dump a "Twilly" at almost terminal and it HURT!


JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Mar 30, 2009, 2:58 PM
Post #25 of 34 (1484 views)
Shortcut
Re: [ripcord4] Belly reserve? [In reply to] Can't Post

Hi ripcord,

Maybe we should get a reunion going for those who have:

had to dump a "Twilly" at almost terminal Crazy

JerryBaumchen


First page Previous page 1 2 Next page Last page  View All

Forums : Skydiving : Skydiving History & Trivia

 


Search for (options)