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Premier DSE  (D 29060)
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Feb 21, 2009, 9:10 AM
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This is an official wingsuit world record attempt but since it's wingsuit specific, thought y'all might want to read it.
Shouldn't 13 miles from 35k be reasonably easy depending on winds?
I watched Scott Callantine do 6.78 miles from 22 (I had a measly 5.88) We were also flying into a 30kt headwind.
Go Ben (and Scott)! Publicity is a good thing!


Deniq

Feb 21, 2009, 9:36 AM
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Just playing with altitude and oxygen Wink

Any numbers:
exit at 35.000 ft (10668 m)
deploy at 1000 ft (305 m) with base rig
distance 13 miles (20909 m)

glide ratio = 20909 / (10668-305) = 2,02

Normal glide ratio for intermediate ws-skydiver Cool


mccordia  (D 94775)

Feb 21, 2009, 9:50 AM
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http://news.flylikebrick.com/...t-jumps-records.html

That would be passing the Red-Bull guys with a few meters I guess? Which is the old (informal?) record...

Their bodyposition doesnt look like they (Gibraltar crossing guys) are giving it their full performance though at 5+ mins of freefall I think it definitely takes some of that Army muscle to be able to fly max for the full jump length/duration.

Doing a jump like this in a bigger/newer suit (stealth, V3, sm1, XS etc) would probably be worth doing....do make sure that Ipod is full for the way down..cause thats some long falling/flying...Tongue


Deniq

Feb 21, 2009, 10:14 AM
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Hi Jarno,

you forgot Ueli Gegenschatz Wink

From Ueli's page:
01.06.2008
thanks to very strong tailwinds, it was possible to fly my profly-wingsuit from above inis mor, aran islands over galway bay to connemara regional airport close to galway. a distance of over 15 km over cold water finally reaching the atlantic coast of ireland. what a spectacular view of irish historic history.


keithbar  (A 14048)

Feb 21, 2009, 10:42 AM
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 article says it was set for todays date. so any news on the record attempt? did they pull it off?


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Feb 21, 2009, 12:58 PM
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Doing a jump like this in a bigger/newer suit (stealth, V3, sm1, XS etc) would probably be worth doing....do make sure that Ipod is full for the way down..cause thats some long falling/flying...Tongue

Given that Ben is wearing a Tonysuit XS...it'll be interesting to see what distance he does.


mccordia  (D 94775)

Feb 21, 2009, 1:38 PM
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Hi Jarno,

you forgot Ueli Gegenschatz Wink

No I didnt, but I couldnt find any exact quotes/data on his jump outside 5:45 'crossing-time' (including canopy)

But if you have some exact data somewhere, please do send it, and Ill gladly ad him (as the video on that one looked awesome)

A big problem with these kind of things, is that its not always clear if its a real record (meaning, damn..thats a performance-level/feat not many people could accomplish with that altitude) or just a media-record (make any kind of jump from X altitude, and dub whatever you do a 'record' because nobody else claimed it before)


Waldschrat

Feb 21, 2009, 1:43 PM
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Just playing with altitude and oxygen Wink

Any numbers:
exit at 35.000 ft (10668 m)
deploy at 1000 ft (305 m) with base rig
distance 13 miles (20909 m)

glide ratio = 20909 / (10668-305) = 2,02

Normal glide ratio for intermediate ws-skydiver Cool

Have you ever done a high altitude (35000ft) WS jump, with oxygen and all the thick clothes on?

Also the reference to ground and speed's are much different in this height'.


(This post was edited by Waldschrat on Feb 21, 2009, 1:59 PM)


mccordia  (D 94775)

Feb 21, 2009, 1:46 PM
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In reply to:
Given that Ben is wearing a Tonysuit XS...it'll be interesting to see what distance he does.

I hope Scott is also using something other than his Blade then, or he'll be watching a dot in the distance....
But perhaps he is also flying an XS or (sticking with his brand) a new 'borrowed' wingsuit design Ive seen floating around..Wink


mccordia  (D 94775)

Feb 21, 2009, 1:48 PM
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In reply to:
Just playing with altitude and oxygen Wink

Any numbers:
exit at 35.000 ft (10668 m)
deploy at 1000 ft (305 m) with base rig

For any record to be valid with Guinness etc. it has to comply with the basic skydiving regulations in terms of TSOed rig, opening altitude etc.

Regardless of the outcome..sounds like an awesome jump to make..


(This post was edited by mccordia on Feb 21, 2009, 1:49 PM)


leroydb  (D 25743)

Feb 21, 2009, 9:06 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
Just playing with altitude and oxygen Wink

Any numbers:
exit at 35.000 ft (10668 m)
deploy at 1000 ft (305 m) with base rig

For any record to be valid with Guinness etc. it has to comply with the basic skydiving regulations in terms of TSOed rig, opening altitude etc.

Regardless of the outcome..sounds like an awesome jump to make..

he could have used SONIC's BASE'R.... lol it is TSO'd


Deniq

Feb 22, 2009, 2:21 AM
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No I didnt, but I couldnt find any exact quotes/data on his jump outside 5:45 'crossing-time' (including canopy)

Hi Jarno,

the altitude must be around 4500 meters, the distance was 17,6 km. It was the jump without oxygen mask and with base rig.

Ueli wrote per E-Mail only (in German):
"...Gleitzahl auf Absprunghöhe war rund 1:4.5 und ist dann mit abnehmenden Winden auf rund 1:3 gesunken. Gleitzahl nur mit sehr starken Höhenwinden möglich, fliege in ruhiger Luft Gleizahl 2.9 auf kürzere Flüge bis ca. 1500 Höhenmeter. Dieser Flug war nur möglich mit Rückenwind auf Absprunghöhe von rund 100 km/h..."


(This post was edited by Deniq on Feb 22, 2009, 2:24 AM)


Deniq

Feb 22, 2009, 2:30 AM
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In reply to:
Have you ever done a high altitude (35000ft) WS jump, with oxygen and all the thick clothes on

No, but if you will pay 1-2 HALO-jumps for me, I will do it gladly Sly


Costyn  (D 92506)

Feb 22, 2009, 12:03 PM
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So, any news on this? How did the jump go?

Cheers


QuietStorm  (D 28724)

Feb 22, 2009, 7:15 PM
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I hope Ben had Iron Maiden's "Fligh of Icarus" thumping on an I-Pod !

Rock on......


QuietStorm  (D 28724)

Feb 22, 2009, 7:18 PM
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Spot:

Thanks for the webling to US Army on the Skydive Utah website!

As skydivers we should never lose sight that are roots and birth are in the Airborne Infantry.

We gonna make another Farnsworth Peak run this year? If so Shawn and I will plan a motorcycle adventure around it!


kallend  (D 23151)

Feb 22, 2009, 9:33 PM
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In reply to:
So, any news on this? How did the jump go?

Cheers

Here:

http://www.yumasun.com/...html/wait_looks.html


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Feb 22, 2009, 10:34 PM
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The Professor posted same basic information we received here at Eloy today; one of the pilots became ill, coupled with weather.
Too bad, was really rooting for Ben and his Tonysuit XS. Looking forward to seeing the five-minute video though. That's got to be one of the longest wingsuit vids, ever.


mccordia  (D 94775)

Feb 23, 2009, 12:29 AM
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Sounds like they still had an awesome jump still.
Shame they couldnt get full altitude...

Any word on the results? As a 16 km jump (15 km freefall) should still pass the previous record of 20,5 km distance easily?


unclecharlie95  (C 100027)

Feb 23, 2009, 7:48 AM
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High altitude jumps have it all, apart from being risky, time consuming and expensive Smile

Fear and anxiety before
Joy and solitude on exit
Reflection and deep thought during long flight
Pain and discomfort from the cold and muscle fatigue
Elation to be back on the ground again

Adrian's mask froze and he was breathing through his tear duct Wink

Adrian dedicated his record to Patrick - so the Spanish decided not to register their record with GBR.

Glen and Heather will have another go this year i believe.

Hope Ben & Scott have better luck next time..


(This post was edited by unclecharlie95 on Feb 23, 2009, 7:52 AM)


Premier LouDiamond  (D 25931)
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I'll post a small synopsis of the event either later today or in the next few days. Thanks for the support gang.Smile


mccordia  (D 94775)

Feb 23, 2009, 1:27 PM
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http://www.counton2.com/...birdman_flies/21100/

Didnt you jump Scott?


kevin922  (D 26500)

Feb 25, 2009, 8:28 PM
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video


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Feb 25, 2009, 9:37 PM
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A good deal is already covered in the linked articles so I won't re-cap that. So I will provide a short version that covers what wasn't in the articles.

After a considerable amount of planning and preparation, all was in place to conduct this event. However, no plan ever survives it's first contact and this one was no different. As I've said in the past in the forums here, conducting high altitude jumps is no joke and has an added degree of risk involved. On saturday the aircraft had ascended to 32k feet AGL and was 6 minutes out from the drop time. At this point one of the aircrew members started displaying symptoms of hypoxia that was noticed by 1 of the 3 phys techs on board and fellow aircrew members. It was determined that the aircrew member was indeed displaying effects of hypoxia and the necessary corrective actions were immediately taken. The aircraft was diverted to San Diego to drop the air crew member at a facility that could treat him as he was displaying additional symptoms that were of concern to his overall well being. As the article stated, the aircrew member recovered after being treated.

Due to this incident and being one man short now, the aircrew could only ascend to 25k AGL on Sunday. It was decided to go ahead and follow through with the jump since we had all the assets in place and were prepared to do it. On Sunday morning the jump was made from a drop altitude of 24,550 feet AGL and a distance of 10 miles was flown. Due to last minute logistical complications in my schedule, I was unable to travel to the event in time. However, as planned, I calculated the winds and did the route planning each day and passed the information to Ben prior to the pilot briefing each morning so he could relay it to the pilots. This information along with real time collection of winds during the climb were compared and slight corrections to the drop heading were made if needed in flight. Based on the calculations, saturdays jump would have yielded a distance of 17 miles and that was how far away the drop was going to be from the DZ until the aircrew member became hypoxic. Sundays jump at 24, 550 feet AGL was 10k feet lower than the previous record jumps and we knew it was a big disadvantage. However, based on the calculations we knew we could get at least 10 miles from that altitude. On sunday Ben exited the C-17 at the airplanes GPS verified exit point and flew 10 miles back to the DZ where he deployed his main canopy directly over top of the intended landing area at an altitude of 3500 ft AGL with a total flight time of 5 minutes 16 seconds. Despite jumping from 10k lower than the previous record jumps, Ben still came very close to the 12 mile mark.

Had Ben been able to exit the aircraft on saturday, we are confident that he would have easily flown 17 miles back to the DZ and deployed at the calculated opening altitude. Aside from the aircrew member becoming hypoxic, everything else went according to the plan that was in place and the calculations proved accurate. As of right now, there are already plans to re-visit this attempt at a undetermined later date when time permits.


tr027  (D License)

Feb 25, 2009, 10:47 PM
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On saturday the aircraft had ascended to 32k feet AGL and was 6 minutes out from the drop time. At this point one of the aircrew members started displaying symptoms of hypoxia that was noticed by 1 of the 3 phys techs on board and fellow aircrew members.

Quick question Scott because I don't have this straight: How did that crew member get hypoxia while on air? Or if somehow he wasn't on air, why wasn't he on air after passing above 15K ?


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