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DocCasey  (C License)

Jan 28, 2009, 7:33 AM
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Can someone please comment on this video regarding the "correct" route to land at Lodi? It looks suspiciously like a radical hook turn initiated at about 50 feet.



http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/01/28/beckford.skydiving.crash.kovr


IanHarrop  (C 1152)

Jan 28, 2009, 7:45 AM
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Can someone please comment on this video regarding the "correct" route to land at Lodi? It looks suspiciously like a radical hook turn initiated at about 50 feet.



http://www.cnn.com/...skydiving.crash.kovr

Watching the video of what actually happened, she makes a rather low turn to avoid the highway and hits the pole.

The reporter talks about the correct route being in the opposite direction and shows the attached graphic, which looks rather simplistic.

My guess is that this is like all other news reports about skydiving accidents - not completely accurate.
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jsreznor  (C 38889)

Jan 28, 2009, 7:46 AM
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10 jumps, eh?


DocCasey  (C License)

Jan 28, 2009, 7:57 AM
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Thank goodness. I thought you required to initiate hook turns at 50' at Lodi....... and well.... that might be a problem with someone with 10 jumps...not me of course but someone with 10 jumps well....sure

:o)


Premier DSE  (D 29060)

Jan 28, 2009, 8:56 AM
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Thank goodness. I thought you required to initiate hook turns at 50' at Lodi....... and well.... that might be a problem with someone with 10 jumps...not me of course but someone with 10 jumps well....sure

:o)

so you feel you can do a 360 hook turn initiated at 50' without incident?


IanHarrop  (C 1152)

Jan 28, 2009, 9:24 AM
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I beg to differ. Check the route picture again... it's not a "360 hook turn initiated at 50'", it's a LOOP. Tongue

I think its an inside "loop" because the CNN graphic does not show the twist required for ending the "outside" loop, and you have to start an "outside" loop upside down.

I have attached pics of both "inside" and "outside" loops for comparison.


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davelepka  (D 21448)

Jan 28, 2009, 9:49 AM
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I picked up on that too, and thought it looked a little aggressive for a student landing.

However, if watch the video, the student does indeed hook it, and speeds up considerably before hitting the pole. Ouch.

Now I'm not a doctor, but medically I have to adivse against speeding up before hitting a pole.


DocCasey  (C License)

Jan 28, 2009, 10:20 AM
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Well sure. All the time.

Isn't that a new requrement for your D license"?


Premier DSE  (D 29060)

Jan 28, 2009, 10:21 AM
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Carefully re-read my response to the poster above
who says " thought you required to initiate hook turns at 50' at Lodi... and then says it wouldn't be a "problem for me, of course."

Does anyone believe they can pull off a 360 initiated at 50'?

I understood the CNN graphic for what it was.


AFFI  (D 25538)

Jan 28, 2009, 10:28 AM
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Does anyone believe they can pull off a 360 initiated at 50'?
I've seen it attempted, but the jumper only made it halfway round before impact... Unsure


IanHarrop  (C 1152)

Jan 28, 2009, 10:33 AM
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Reading the whole post:

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Thank goodness. I thought you required to initiate hook turns at 50' at Lodi....... and well.... that might be a problem with someone with 10 jumps...not me of course but someone with 10 jumps well....sure

:o)

I believe he was using humor... If I was wrong... Sorry.

I didn't believe that someone with a C licence and over 500 jumps really believed "required to initiate hook turns at 50' at Lodi"


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Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Jan 28, 2009, 10:49 AM
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>Does anyone believe they can pull off a 360 initiated at 50'?

I could if I chose my gear wisely!


Scrumpot  (D License)

Jan 28, 2009, 11:01 AM
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With a Paracommander, sure. No Problem! Tongue


Carrapeta  (A 54266)

Jan 28, 2009, 11:36 AM
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Now I'm not a doctor, but medically I have to adivse against speeding up before hitting a pole

Im not so sure about that!! MY girl ALWAYS speeds up when hitting the pole!! Tongue


Rover  (D 241)

Jan 28, 2009, 11:46 AM
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Can someone please comment on this video regarding the "correct" route to land at Lodi? It looks suspiciously like a radical hook turn initiated at about 50 feet.



http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/01/28/beckford.skydiving.crash.kovr

Thay link took me to a stimulating piece on a steelworks in Wales.


sparkie  (D License)

Jan 29, 2009, 3:43 AM
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Reading the whole post:

Quote:
Thank goodness. I thought you required to initiate hook turns at 50' at Lodi....... and well.... that might be a problem with someone with 10 jumps...not me of course but someone with 10 jumps well....sure

:o)

I believe he was using humor... If I was wrong... Sorry.

I didn't believe that someone with a C licence and over 500 jumps really believed "required to initiate hook turns at 50' at Lodi"

as i always say, sarcasm is a sport Sly


sparkie  (D License)

Jan 29, 2009, 3:47 AM
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Now I'm not a doctor, but medically I have to adivse against speeding up before hitting a pole

Im not so sure about that!! MY girl ALWAYS speeds up when hitting the pole!! Tongue

yeah, but thats porbably because your pole is significantly smaller, tiny maybe even Laugh


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Jan 29, 2009, 4:51 AM
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as i always say, sarcasm is a sport Sly

...and, as usual, some just don't get it when it's played.
LaughLaugh

Kinda takes the fun out of it when you have to explain it to them...don't bother trying.
LaughLaughWink


As for the video...Low turn? yes. Hook turn? far from it.


(This post was edited by popsjumper on Jan 29, 2009, 4:59 AM)


Carrapeta  (A 54266)

Jan 29, 2009, 10:27 AM
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Now I'm not a doctor, but medically I have to adivse against speeding up before hitting a pole

Im not so sure about that!! MY girl ALWAYS speeds up when hitting the pole!! Tongue

yeah, but thats porbably because your pole is significantly smaller, tiny maybe even Laugh

Hey, easy now I resemble that remarkPirate!!
I may not be able to reach the end of a can of tuna . . .But I can WORK THE HELL OUTTA THE SIDES!!!TongueLaugh


AFFI  (D 25538)

Jan 29, 2009, 10:41 AM
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I may not be able to reach the end of a can of tuna . . .But I can WORK THE HELL OUTTA THE SIDES!!!TongueLaugh
Comon now! That would be like throwing a hotdog down a hallway!Wink


Carrapeta  (A 54266)

Jan 29, 2009, 11:01 AM
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I may not be able to reach the end of a can of tuna . . .But I can WORK THE HELL OUTTA THE SIDES!!!TongueLaugh
Comon now! That would be like throwing a hotdog down a hallway!Wink

And hitting every wall simultaneously!!Laugh



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