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SimpleJack  (D License)

Dec 18, 2008, 9:14 PM
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Im interested to know if the riggers at your dropzone have threatened to raise their price on reserve repacks when the 180 day repack cycle goes into effect.

Have they began whining about what an unfair financial blow this is, that they can no longer charge you 3 times per year anymore. Have they moaned about how this will be a crushing financial blow that will put them out of business? BOO HOO!

Just curious.


Premier likestojump  (D License)

Dec 18, 2008, 9:23 PM
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I have heard no complains. But I am still not sure if I will raise my rates or not. I am leaning towards seeing what happens, and going with the flow.

I always suggest to unhappy people to get their own rigging ticket and not be subjected to the riggers whining.


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Dec 18, 2008, 9:29 PM
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Several haven't threatened or whined; they have just plain raised their prices.


cloudtramp  (D License)

Dec 18, 2008, 9:34 PM
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Yes, prices have gone up here. If you don't like it then pack your own f'ing reserve you whiney bitchWink


DeNReN  (B 5642)

Dec 18, 2008, 9:40 PM
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You must be Simple...

the search function is your friend...

a few threads on this subject already exist..

If you were that curious you would have taken a look at existing threads..

seems to me that you want attention.


Unsure


SimpleJack  (D License)

Dec 18, 2008, 10:05 PM
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Several haven't threatened or whined; they have just plain raised their prices.

But it's the same exact job. How much of an increase is it?

Isn't there anyone at your DZ that will do it for the same price?


porpoishead  (B 30018)

Dec 18, 2008, 10:06 PM
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Yes, prices have gone up here. If you don't like it then pack your own f'ing reserve you whiney bitchWink


BWAHAHAHA!!!

thats one way to put it!!

I&R prices have increased in this neck of the woods also. it is what it is, I'm not a rigger so I just abide.

you gotta figure you can't please every skydiver no matter what..Unsure bunch of $20 hookers. if you stick it in they scream because they can't take it. if you pull it out they cry because they want more

Smile


SimpleJack  (D License)

Dec 18, 2008, 10:24 PM
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I'm not a rigger so I just abide.

Why do skydivers tolerate that?


diablopilot  (D License)

Dec 18, 2008, 10:37 PM
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When you become a skydiver, you might find out.


cloudtramp  (D License)

Dec 18, 2008, 10:40 PM
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Why do skydivers tolerate that?
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here you go:

http://www.para-concepts.com/RiggingCourse/


gearless_chris  (D 29012)

Dec 18, 2008, 10:46 PM
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Them riggers make way too much as it is Tongue. The good ones around here will probably like it now that they aren't going to be swamped all the time. $55 for 4 1/2 hours of work isn't very good. But I know a rigger(He packed my first two cutaways) that only charges $40, and he'll do it in 20 minutes.


phildthedildo

Dec 18, 2008, 10:48 PM
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while indeed it is "the same exact job", the rigger is responsible for his work an extra 60 days, so why shouldnt they be compensated??


SimpleJack  (D License)

Dec 18, 2008, 10:52 PM
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while indeed it is "the same exact job", the rigger is responsible for his work an extra 60 days, so why shouldnt they be compensated??

Well, there's no sense in me complaining if you all are happy paying extra for it. I guess the extra dough will come out of your beer money.


tdog  (D 28800)

Dec 18, 2008, 11:02 PM
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Before I was a rigger - $50 seemed so expensive and frustrated me.

Now that I am a rigger - I kick the shit out of line twists even if the canopy is in a freefall dive - with "I don't want to pack tonight, I don't want to pack tonight" being my motivation.

A packer packing tandem and student canopies can make twice as much money per hour as a rigger!

But - I feel every serious skydiver should earn the rigger rating and take ownership of their gear and destiny.


Iago  (D License)

Dec 18, 2008, 11:11 PM
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I haven't met a rigger yet that didn't have more reserves to pack than they can handle. I imagine other rigging endeavors are more profitable than packing reserves so it might be a welcome change for many.


Blink  (C 3275)

Dec 18, 2008, 11:16 PM
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I hope word doesn't spread to Canada. Our repack cycle is already 180 days, and the price is usually around $50 (CAD)!


porpoishead  (B 30018)

Dec 19, 2008, 2:50 AM
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I'm not a rigger so I just abide.

Why do skydivers tolerate that?


I can't answer why skydivers tolerate that


I can tell you why I tolerate that... because my rigger is a professional and I trust him. if he has to charge more for his services for whatever his professional opinion is on a matter then so be it.

there's people who cry about riggers not packing their reserve, no riggers av available and try to burn any given dropzone to the ground for bad rigging service or whatever.


I don't act like a bitch dude, so I don't usually have to wait around for a repack.



but just so this doesnt turn into some kind of pissing match....

I do understand what you are referring to...a bunch of riggers are crying about their income on that situation..
nobody twisted their arm and made them become a fucking rigger. so you gotta respect that


(This post was edited by porpoishead on Dec 19, 2008, 2:58 AM)


skyblu3  (C 29727)

Dec 19, 2008, 4:25 AM
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Several haven't threatened or whined; they have just plain raised their prices.

But it's the same exact job. How much of an increase is it?

Isn't there anyone at your DZ that will do it for the same price?

Your argument holds no ground. I am not a rigger so I wouldn't like to see prices go up either but I do run a business and know a bit about supply and demand.

For example, if you were to order a custom container for yourself you may be qouted x amount. Order that same gear for your entire 8-way team and I am sure it will cost you considerably less. You can argue,"but it's the same container", unfortunately its the way things go. Prices will go up unless the 6 month cycle will generate more business from repairs, etc.. Riggers calculate their turnover from cash in on repacks. If their annual number of repacks is going to be lower then turnover is going to drop and prices are going to go up. Some riggers may leave their price the same but find other ways of subsidising. Charging more for repairs could be one way.

Riggers please take no offence, it's just my theoretical opinion.


mark  (D 6108)

Dec 19, 2008, 4:40 AM
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While indeed it is "the same exact job", the rigger is responsible for his work an extra 60 days, so why shouldnt they be compensated?

The length of time a rigger is responsible for his work is the same; the length of time the owner/operator is responsible for continued airworthiness has increased by 60 days.

A rigger is responsible for delivering a parachute system that is airworthy. After that, the owner/operator is responsible for ensuring continued airworthiness, which includes pre-flighting equipment, knowing about and complying with new and recurring ADs and SBs, and returning equipment for maintenance if necessary.

I do not understand why a rigger would accept responsibility for something that is the owner/operator's responsibility.

Mark


GLIDEANGLE  (D 30292)

Dec 19, 2008, 6:13 AM
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Locally SOME riggers raised their prices for I&R of a reserve from US$ 60 to US$ 75 a few months ago. However, some riggers have NOT raised prices. Here is where the free market comes into play: Riggers are free to charge what they want and the jumpers are free to take their work to whomever they wish. As a result, I expect that things will balance out.

Let us not forget that the decision of choosing a rigger usually includes more than just price. Any of the following can play a role in the choice of riggers: location, reputation, demeanor, ability to do more than just repack, rigging equipment available, turnaround time, and price.

I am fortunate to live and jump in an area with about 15 riggers (there are probably others I don't know locally). As a result, we can let the law of supply and demand play out. If I lived and jumped somewhere that had few riggers, we jumpers would have less economic leverage. If you have too few riggers in your area and they can engage in monopolistic pricing... get your own rigging ticket.

No I am not a rigger....yet. I am working on my ticket. I spent several days this week working with a master rigger on my sewing skills. (Damn, the bar tacking machine is WAY COOL!!!!)


councilman24  (D 8631)

Dec 19, 2008, 6:41 AM
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Try some simple math.

$50x3=$150
$75x2=$150

Where's the extra out of pocket money? Why the hell should you get an extra $50 beer money a year out of the rigger's pocket?

Me, I split the benefit. Didn't go up to parity but did go up some. Not even half. Needed to anyway so I'm not really ahead.

And the damn pilots that supported the 180 day cylce because it would cost them less only get their rigs packed once a year anyway.Unimpressed

Best idea? Get your own damn ticket so we don't have to put up with you. Then you'll get exactly what you pay for.

B'bye


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Dec 19, 2008, 6:58 AM
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D 5511 (USPA)

Scott you are lying again. That is not you D lic. number. Mad

You should also brush up on your math. If you get a repack every 120 days at $50 bucks a pop it would cost you $150 a year to keep you rig in date.

If you get it packed every 180 at $70 a pop it would cost you $150 a year to keep your rig in date. You cost of jumping due to what your rigger charges has not gone up at all. All your whining was for nothing. BOO HOO

Sparky


ZigZagMarquis  (D License)

Dec 19, 2008, 7:15 AM
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Frankly, Jack, I've heard no whining at all from riggers.

However, I've heard a lot of whining from jumpers, like your whine here.

Do the math, like many have pointed out. If you don't like paying the amount your rigger charges for a reserve repack, find another rigger or get your rigger's ticket yourself and quit your whining. Tongue


What baffles me about skydivers is their willingness to shell out lots of $$$ to go through student status and then shell out lots of $$$ for their first rig and then they piss and moan about having to pay $$$ on the up-keep of the device that SAVES THEIR LIFE EVERY TIME THEY USE IT! Laugh geeze


Ion01  (B License)

Dec 19, 2008, 7:34 AM
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(365days in a year/180 new repack cycle)/(365 days in a year/120 old repack cycle)=.66666666 or 66%
This means that if a rigger didn't raise his prices he would only make 66% of what he used to make. Thats a huge difference! Therefore to make the same amout of money a rigger must increase his profits by 33%! So if it used to cost $50 per pack job and 365/120=3.04166667 that means the rigger used to make $152.08 a year from one jumper. If he is only going to make a 66% of that under the new cycle that means he is only going to make $101.39 from one jumper a year leaving a difference of $50.69. Since 365/180=2.02777778 packs a year under the new cycle we can take 50.69/2.02777778 and find that we must charge 24.9978082 or 25 dollars extra per pack to make the same amount which also means the jumper is paying the same amount per year. This means a 50 dollar pack becomes a 75 dollar pack (not a 70 dollar pack). To make it really simple 3*50=150 and 2*75=150 (2*70 does not = 150).


michalm21  (Student)

Dec 19, 2008, 8:06 AM
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those silly charging threads again...
im fine paying $75 twice a year for same annual maintenance cost as long as you only charge $50 after each and every cutaway in between Tongue


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