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prodiver913

Nov 19, 2008, 10:55 AM
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I have a new Vector with all the options including the magnetic riser covers. I freefly mainly and my rigger told me to be careful with the magnetic covers as they will open in freefall during freeflying and could cause blah, blah, blah.... I didn't want to argue so I shut my mouth. Has anybody else heard this? I was under the assumption that the magnetic covers are freefly friendly and they're pretty solid. I have had no problems at all. Anyone?


ozzy13  (D 29344)

Nov 19, 2008, 11:30 AM
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I have them on my rigs . I have not had one problem at all with them. I never notice them opening while freeflying either.

Just to add I have over 400 jumps on these rigs.


(This post was edited by ozzy13 on Nov 19, 2008, 12:00 PM)


diablopilot  (D License)

Nov 19, 2008, 11:32 AM
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They are less secure than a proper tuck tab type, however the have the advantage of easily re-closing themselves if dislodged.


JohnDeere  (D License)

Nov 19, 2008, 11:35 AM
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I also have them and have not had a problem. Most of my jumps (95%) are FF. I ordered this rig throught my rigger and my packer is a rigger, neither have said anything of the such!


RMURRAY

Nov 19, 2008, 11:44 AM
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my packer

akydiving in 2008. sad.


JohnDeere  (D License)

Nov 19, 2008, 11:46 AM
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my packer

akydiving in 2008. sad.

Is it? If i didnt use a packer i would not get 1/5th of the jumps i get in!


DrewEckhardt  (D 28461)

Nov 19, 2008, 3:15 PM
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my packer

akydiving in 2008. sad.

Is it? If i didnt use a packer i would not get 1/5th of the jumps i get in!

Unless you have at least two rigs, packing for yourself can often mean jumping more.

With a 6-7 minute pack job and turbine aircraft taking 20 minutes to turn around, if a trailer or bus ride isn't involved you can usually be on every other load.

With a packer who is also taking care of other people it's probably every third load.


(This post was edited by DrewEckhardt on Nov 19, 2008, 3:16 PM)


Premier skydiverek  (C 41769)

Nov 19, 2008, 3:33 PM
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They are less secure than a proper tuck tab type

Tuck tabs on Vector 3 were sometimes too secure...


labrys  (D 29848)

Nov 19, 2008, 3:35 PM
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Tuck tabs on Vector 3 were sometimes too secure...

+1. Yep


iluvtofly  (C License)

Nov 19, 2008, 3:41 PM
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I have the magnetic rise covers as well. I've only started freeflying so I'm sure you can imagine it's not the prettiest thing you've ever seen. However, even when tumbling through the sky I haven't had any problems with them coming open (even when I've accidentally gone head down). Laugh


JohnDeere  (D License)

Nov 19, 2008, 4:12 PM
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I do have 2 rigs for back to back loads sometimes. But alot of the time while my rig is being packed i am making buis. calls. I jump on firday and run my company in between loads.


jerry81

Nov 20, 2008, 1:59 AM
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When did you get your Vector? On the newest one I saw (made summer 2008) the magnetic flaps were redesigned and quite different than the ones UPT was offering when they introduced the option on their rigs.

The owner, having recently returned from Spain, told me the freefliers at Empuria doing a lot of tracing jumps were complaining about the first design coming open in some flying modes (high speed with a lot of angle changes). That is 2nd hand info, though. 1st hand, I can tell you we have plenty of Vectors with the 'old' magnetic covers on our dz, and while the 'new' design did seem more secure, I have yet to see or hear about the flaps causing problems on a freefly, or any kind of dive for that matter.


prodiver913

Nov 20, 2008, 6:29 AM
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i got mine last august (07). I think it's the new design actually. The same graphics and info are still on UPT's site that were there in 07 when I ordered mine. I have never had them open while freeflying. They're pretty solid. Open on deployment and close again once the risers pass the forward edge.


randompoints

Nov 20, 2008, 9:39 AM
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I've seen a few people pack the mag risers like they were packing tuck tabs, with the main risers between the magnets, i think this would allow them open and close in freefall a bit more. I'm fairly certain the best way with mags is to have the main risers on top of the reserve risers, and the 2 flaps close on top.

thats what I do and no problem even back tracking.
or attempted back trackingCrazy


funfall  (C 1)

Nov 20, 2008, 10:34 AM
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Anything extra between the magnets would make them open more easily than they're designed to.


randompoints

Nov 20, 2008, 10:44 AM
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yep, isn't that what i saidUnsureCool


jerry81

Nov 20, 2008, 11:59 AM
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i got mine last august (07). I think it's the new design actually. The same graphics and info are still on UPT's site that were there in 07 when I ordered mine.
That's the 'older' design I was talking about, cover flap on the outside of the yoke and pocket on the inside. The newer one was reversed with the flap made smaller and fitting (what seemed) more securely into a pocket on the outside of the yoke...


(This post was edited by jerry81 on Nov 20, 2008, 12:00 PM)


markovwgti  (D 29993)

Nov 20, 2008, 12:07 PM
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I have them on my rigs . I have not had one problem at all with them. I never notice them opening while freeflying either.

Just to add I have over 400 jumps on these rigs.

Jerry you cant freefly..stop making shit up! haha


klingeme  (D 24728)

Nov 20, 2008, 12:35 PM
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I have a new Vector with all the options including the magnetic riser covers. I freefly mainly and my rigger told me to be careful with the magnetic covers as they will open in freefall during freeflying and could cause blah, blah, blah.... I didn't want to argue so I shut my mouth. Has anybody else heard this? I was under the assumption that the magnetic covers are freefly friendly and they're pretty solid. I have had no problems at all. Anyone?

We (UPT) did get some feedback for Babylon about the old style riser covers coming open when doing very extreme atmonauti. Since then, we have received a few (less than 20) other people expressing the same concern. We have come up with a modification that will install another 2 magnets on top of the existing 2 pairs of magnets. This modification can be done by anyone and involves no sewing. If you have a V3 with the old style magnetic riser covers and you would like a kit sent to you, please contact me at markk@uptvector.com. Another advantage of this modification is it reduces the "wrinkling" in the yoke of the old design.

There is not cost for this modification kit. You will only be charged the shipping fee.

Mark Klingelhoefer

edited to add

It might not be a bad idea to move this to "Gear and Rigging".


(This post was edited by klingeme on Nov 20, 2008, 12:43 PM)


speuci  (A 53964)

Nov 20, 2008, 9:09 PM
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Mark, it seems implied by your post, but this 'modification' is now standard on all vectors with the mag riser option correct?


iluvtofly  (C License)

Nov 21, 2008, 4:54 AM
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Mark, it seems implied by your post, but this 'modification' is now standard on all vectors with the mag riser option correct?

My guess is yes only because I sent mine back to get some repairs that had nothing to do with the risers and when it came back it had this mod. I was quite surprised and happy at the same time. Hooray for free mods. Laugh


klingeme  (D 24728)

Nov 21, 2008, 5:14 AM
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Mark, it seems implied by your post, but this 'modification' is now standard on all vectors with the mag riser option correct?

Correct. All rigs currently being shipped have the 3 magnet "Sandwich" rather than just 2 magnets.

Mark Klingelhoefer


klingeme  (D 24728)

Nov 21, 2008, 5:15 AM
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They make the rig look better so we are pretty much doing this mod to all the rigs that come in for any type of repair.

Mark Klingelhoefer


fergs  (F 383)

Nov 26, 2008, 6:54 PM
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Mark,

Can we see a pic?


TheSecret  (B License)

Nov 29, 2008, 7:26 PM
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Since what date has this mod been standard?


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