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GLIDEANGLE  (D 30292)

Oct 27, 2008, 8:05 PM
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Y'all:

I am baffled. The photo on the LOWER RIGHT corner of page 59 of the November 2008 issue of Parachutist shows a canopy in a very strange shape. It is the canopy on the RIGHT side (also nearest to the camera). Can anyone explain what that canopy is doing? For those of you with no copy of this mag, the middle cells are distorted almost vertical with the leading edge down and the tail up. The lateral cells are relatively flat. This canopy is flying ALONE, not in contact with others.

Thanks.


JohnDeere  (D License)

Oct 27, 2008, 8:56 PM
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Hey Jim it looks as if the canopy is just inflating. It looks like a crew exit and the canopy has just not fully inflated yet.


indyz  (D 28525)

Oct 27, 2008, 9:23 PM
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It looks to me like the cameraman was doing rear-riser stalls to stay down with stack. The picture seems to be at the beginning of the recovery from the stall. It definitely is not an exit -- the rest of the team is already stacked and rotating.


dragon2  (D 101989)

Oct 28, 2008, 12:23 PM
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Can you scan the pic?


BillyVance  (D 18895)

Oct 28, 2008, 2:53 PM
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I could be wrong but, it looks to me like the canopy flew through a burble coming off the guys in front of him.

Here's the scanned pic...
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dragon2  (D 101989)

Oct 28, 2008, 2:57 PM
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Rear-riser stall, check this out:
http://wpc.cf2008teuge.nl/...amp;catid=2&id=8 starting at 02:26


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Oct 28, 2008, 3:15 PM
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In reply to:
Rear-riser stall, check this out:
http://wpc.cf2008teuge.nl/...amp;catid=2&id=8 starting at 02:26

I seem to remember they may have had some sort of line mod in order to achieve that. Looks too clean and central to be rear risers.


dragon2  (D 101989)

Oct 28, 2008, 3:21 PM
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That was the Swedes, the Russians (I think) did rearriser stalls too although less violent i think
http://wpc.cf2008teuge.nl/...mp;catid=2&id=10 6:28
Dunno both look like regular stalls to me could be wrong though


pdk  (D 261)

Oct 29, 2008, 3:58 AM
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Thats the swedish videoman for Romme rotation.
He have a "B-line" system connected to the centercells B-line. He controlles it with his feets.
Its make it easier too stay in the burble behind the team.


GLIDEANGLE  (D 30292)

Oct 29, 2008, 7:55 PM
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Thank you all for your answers!!!! SmileSmileSmile

B-lines controlled by his feet.... very interesting!

Blue Skies.


BillyVance  (D 18895)

Oct 29, 2008, 10:51 PM
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In reply to:
Thank you all for your answers!!!! SmileSmileSmile

B-lines controlled by his feet.... very interesting!

Blue Skies.

Several other CRW video guys use that system. Bryan Scott and Tom Plonka do.


jumpwally  (D License)

Nov 3, 2008, 5:48 AM
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How does it work ? I it attatched after opening ? any probs during cutaways ? pics would be awesome...thanks


BillyVance  (D 18895)

Nov 3, 2008, 7:50 AM
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In reply to:
How does it work ? I it attatched after opening ? any probs during cutaways ? pics would be awesome...thanks

From what I've seen, they stow the line in with the pack job and it's attached between the risers from left to right with something to hold the excess line together like a rubber band. Then once they deploy cleanly, get oriented with the formation, and then deploy the line and get their feet on it. I might have a detail wrong or a little off, but these two guys don't seem to be on dropzone.com. I have a dvd of a crw camp I was in a few years back with some good close-ups of them in action... I'll see what I can do...


BartRN  (D 29888)

Dec 18, 2008, 12:24 PM
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What is the small metal ring shown in this picture. When watching some of the videos from the Netherland championships I saw this (attached) on the cameraman's front riser. Seems like this would be a good way to connect to the B-lines of the center cell to create the effect dicussed earlier in the thread. Ring is kinda small and looks like it would bite into the skin if it is that though.
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CaTo  (D 81811)

Dec 20, 2008, 3:11 AM
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In reply to:
What is the small metal ring shown in this picture. When watching some of the videos from the Netherland championships I saw this (attached) on the cameraman's front riser. Seems like this would be a good way to connect to the B-lines of the center cell to create the effect dicussed earlier in the thread. Ring is kinda small and looks like it would bite into the skin if it is that though.

this ring IS connected to the B-Line, and pulling it has a kind of 'front-riser' effect, but is easier and lighter to pull.
On my lightling I have b-line toggles, which helped me when i was flying camera, especially with large formation: the span of control is bigger: a little b-line gives you forward speed (also GREAT when trying to fly back to the DZ against the (heavy) wind). Using a lot of b-line input will make the canopy sink quicker, also handy when trying to catch up with a sinking formation (stack..)
IN the formation (flying wings) you could also use the input of your outside b-line in stead of the (more heavier) frontriser.

In the two-way team I am in now, I do not use these b-line toggles anymore: the input that has to be given is to quick and to short to be able to grab the ring/toggle and pull. Plain-old frontriser input is then the name of the game.


CaTo  (D 81811)

Dec 20, 2008, 12:42 PM
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In reply to:
this ring IS connected to the B-Line, and pulling it has a kind of 'front-riser' effect, but is easier and lighter to pull.
On my lightling I have b-line toggles, which helped me when i was flying camera, especially with large formation:

to illustrate a picture, see right frontsiser


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BartRN  (D 29888)

Dec 22, 2008, 9:49 AM
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Thanks a ton Caren. That is exactly what I wanted to know!!!


jogi  (D 7512)

Dec 29, 2008, 1:08 AM
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Hi!!

Iwe got toggels attached to center B-lines. And I just pull them about 10cm with my fingers. That disturbs the air flow over the canopy and I get a perfect strait down sink and the good thing is that the recovery of the canopy is much faster and smoother. If you use steering toggles or rear raisers to get the stall, you will get a lift before it stalls and the recovery is more "violent". I hope this answer your Q:s Smile //Marcus SWE Rotation Team



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