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SStewart  (D 10405)

Aug 11, 2008, 8:09 PM
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Probably an easy one, I jumped it into the Susquehanna river last Saturday during Maytown's annual water jumps.

We had a total of 10 "vintage" parachutes splash down. I believe I won the splash contest.




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councilman24  (D 8631)

Aug 11, 2008, 8:30 PM
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Looks a lot like my Cirrus Cloud.

Which I thought was a fine parachute. I could land it and it seemed to outfly a fury. Hmmm, may have to hook it up..... to my cutaway rig.Wink Too fat to land it now.Crazy


SStewart  (D 10405)

Aug 11, 2008, 8:42 PM
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Not a bad guess but no.

I am also too fat to land this thing on the hard ground. But for deep water landings it still works just fineWink




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keithbar  (A 14048)

Aug 11, 2008, 9:14 PM
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It's a 5 cell right? strato star.? they made a 5 cell reserve didn't they? safety flyer? am I right on that?


SStewart  (D 10405)

Aug 11, 2008, 9:26 PM
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Not a Strato Star, or a Safety Flyer.







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keithbar  (A 14048)

Aug 11, 2008, 9:38 PM
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but a 5 cell right? wasn't their a cricket? and I know one company made canopys with names like hobbit, and wizard and maybe goblin? I think the hobbit might have been a 5 cell. but it's been a year or two


SStewart  (D 10405)

Aug 11, 2008, 9:47 PM
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Yep, only five cells.

Crickets, Hobbitts and Wizards were seven, not made by the same company either but thats another thread...

I don't remember the Goblin but that sounds like a cool name for a canopy. (unless you do CRW)




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Rover  (D 241)

Aug 12, 2008, 2:03 AM
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Bob?Sly

And if it isn't Bob is it a Swift?Unsure


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councilman24  (D 8631)

Aug 12, 2008, 5:13 AM
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Well, we need higher resolution photos. Can't be sure it's spanwise constructed but those big puffy cells look like it. I don't remember if the others in the Cirrus Cloud series were made as mains or not. There were three reserves Orion, Cirrus and I can't remember the third without references.

So maybe swift main but I think one of the other spanwise 5 cells in the Cirrus series.


poppenhager  (D 47)

Aug 12, 2008, 5:30 AM
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DC5?

POP


jimjumper  (D 11137)

Aug 12, 2008, 8:19 AM
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Spanwise construction, no packing tabs (Elek Puskas thought they affected airflow), blue (most swifts I v'e seen were yellow), 5 cells (a paraflite staple), I would have say a Cirrus reserve?


Taylor610  (D 11263)

Aug 12, 2008, 9:23 AM
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Yeah, I am going with the Swift Reserve.

5 cell, seemed like it had "flat" lines and for some reason, I remember something weird with the stearing/brake lines...

Crazy


SStewart  (D 10405)

Aug 12, 2008, 9:38 AM
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Bob?Sly

And if it isn't Bob is it a Swift?Unsure

That's it, Swift Main (the reserve is also a swift)

It opened hard, turned slow, and flared like shit.Wink


3331  (D 3331)

Aug 12, 2008, 9:57 AM
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That's it, Swift Main (the reserve is also a swift)

It opened hard, turned slow, and flared like shit.Wink

It can't be worse then a Para Mount 5 cell.


Unstable  (D 28930)

Aug 12, 2008, 10:26 AM
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What's scary, is if you look hard enough, you can still find a few of those out there as reserves...Unsure


gjhdiver  (D 7731)

Aug 12, 2008, 6:27 PM
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It opened hard, turned slow, and flared like shit.Wink

Other than that it was OK though ?


zoobrothertom  (D 9397)

Aug 12, 2008, 10:27 PM
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Except for that little problem in '86 when they were recalled to replace the leading edge, they were very reliable reserves. I have at least 4 reserve rides on it that I can remember.Wink 177 square feet if I recall.

Yep, the lines were flat and the brake set up was weird. There were extra brake lines inboard of the normal lines. When you released the brakes, the inside lines just went free and trailed behind you.

Someone else jump in if I'm wrong. I think the extra inboard brake lines were to keep the tail down equally across the trailing edge except (maybe) in the very center. It allowed the center cell to achieve a higher pressurization first and a more stable on heading opening. Did I get that right?

I jumped mine up until 2001 in my original mirage container that I bought new in '84. Got rid of the reserve, but the container is in the closet and serviceable!

My first square was a Strato Star 190 sq. ft. 5 cell. I later had a Safety Star reserve at one point in one of my old wonderhogs.


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SStewart  (D 10405)

Aug 12, 2008, 10:49 PM
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The swift reserve I was jumping is very similar to the main but not identical. The main had the round lines and the reserve had the flat linguini. They both had the weird brake line stow with the trailing line after you release the brakes.

The main had untold number of jumps (the data stamp was faded) I guessed the main to be circa early 80's. The reserve is an 85 and has 35 repacks and no deployments. It still looks and feels brand new.

The "Swift system" was a great concept at the time; Swift container, Swift Main, and Swift reserve all in one.

Back in the day that was a hot set-up.


keithbar  (A 14048)

Aug 13, 2008, 7:14 PM
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back in the day. even though I was " young and dumb" I knew the "swift system" wasn't shall we say big guy friendly. ymmv never jumped one but saw them around.


airtwardo  (D License)

Aug 14, 2008, 12:12 AM
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the weird brake line stow with the trailing line after you release the brakes.

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I had a couple of clouds that had the same set up...easier to change the brake setting IIRC.


ryoder  (D 6663)

Aug 14, 2008, 8:53 AM
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The swift reserve I was jumping is very similar to the main but not identical. The main had the round lines and the reserve had the flat linguini. They both had the weird brake line stow with the trailing line after you release the brakes.

Swift Main: 195sf.
Swift Reserve: 177sf.


gjhdiver  (D 7731)

Aug 15, 2008, 11:24 AM
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The swift reserve I was jumping is very similar to the main but not identical. The main had the round lines and the reserve had the flat linguini. They both had the weird brake line stow with the trailing line after you release the brakes.

Swift Main: 195sf.
Swift Reserve: 177sf.

The old original Swifts did that. The newer Swift Plus models that replaced them didn't. I always thought that the released brake lines were designed to make you land with all the grace and poise of a falling gas stove to take your mind off the fact that you'd just had a malfunction.


pms07  (D 7571)

Aug 15, 2008, 7:38 PM
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What's scary, is if you look hard enough, you can still find a few of those out there as reserves...Unsure

Actually, the Swift reserve and Swift main are two entirely different canopies. The reserve is a great canopy and landed fairly well for that generation.

The main? Not so much...as far as great landings...in spite of the fact that it is a larger canopy.

The reserve was converted to a main canopy by some as it packed small and landed fairly well.

Anyway, the Swift reserve was a great canopy IMO and I've lots of jumps on them as both a main and reserve. The Swift main was a POS...and I've never seen one used as a reserve.

pms


pms07  (D 7571)

Aug 15, 2008, 7:53 PM
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Except for that little problem in '86 when they were recalled to replace the leading edge, they were very reliable reserves. I have at least 4 reserve rides on it that I can remember.Wink 177 square feet if I recall...

As far as that little Swift reserve problem, I got to experience it first hand packed in a prototype Talon while the tso was still being worked in 86, when my main mal'd. Hardest landing I ever walked away from. Not being too bright...after discussing with Elek and the guys at PF...and Sandy at R.I. who owned the rig and canopies...me and John Morrison both jumped that particular Swift reserve again, set-up as a main in an effort to try and help figure out the problem. Luckily, no permanent injuries.

Anyway, mine was the first "live" reserve ride on Talon and we ID'd a problem with a large number of Swift reserves, resulting in a significant recall by PF. So, we bought beer...


tbrown  (D 6533)

Aug 16, 2008, 3:56 PM
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Didn't the original Swift reserve fail to meet the new TSO-C23c requirements when they came out in the eighties ? I seem to remember all of the round and some existing square reserves failed the newer c revision standard.

Also recall that the Swift system was the official rig of the US Team (Mirror Image and US Army) at the 1981 World Meet at Z-Hills.


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