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Poll: to velcro or not to velcro?
velcro 10 / 15%
non-velcro "tuck tabs" 58 / 85%
68 total votes
 
moodyskydiver

Dec 16, 2002, 11:27 AM
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 I just ordered a new rig and had to decide this for myself.I was curious to see who has velcro and who doesnt and why you made this decision. (I know its been discussed before,but I just wanted to see the figures.)Smile


bwilling  (C 13618)

Dec 16, 2002, 11:37 AM
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Re: [moodyskydiver] to velcro or not to velcro? [In reply to] Can't Post

I have velcro, because I was too big to find a used rig (6' 3", 230lbs) that fit me, and I bought a Dolphin because it was a good, safe (for belly flying anyway, and that's almost all I do) rig that I could afford. A good used rig would have been somewhat older, and likely would have still had velcro anyway...

That said, I'll have the risers covers converted to tuck tab the first time the velcro needs to be replaced, instead of having the velcro replaced.


Premier PhreeZone  (D License)
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Dec 16, 2002, 11:41 AM
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You can only get one or two rigs new with velcro anymore and those that you can are not in the top 10 of being popular rigs anymore.

I think a better question is who has velcroless toggles and who does'nt.


Sonic  (B 102345)

Dec 16, 2002, 11:47 AM
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The only bits of velcro I want on my rig are the bits that hold the cutaway / reserve pads on.


dragon2  (D 101989)

Dec 16, 2002, 11:48 AM
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Re: [moodyskydiver] to velcro or not to velcro? [In reply to] Can't Post

When I was looking for (2nd hand) gear I found only 3 rigs that were comfortable (and affordable). One was a too-small javelin (120 ft main) with hip rings and all in all way cool but alas, one was a plain black (I like black) vector 2 with velcro all around and the other was a multi-colored atom classic (no velcro). I could've had the vector2 modified but I got the atom instead.
Had some work done on that one as well; had a crw-flap-thingy sewn on to secure the reserve flap better for head-up FF and for CREW, and had the walrus teeth replaced after a while because they needed to be.

I now have a velco-free rig which is great for FF'ing. I really like the no-velcro-maintenance part. My rig gets accepted for FF at other DZ's.

However, I still have to look after all the tucktabs and walrus teeth and stuff of course. No velcro doesn't mean maintenance free...


CanuckInUSA  (D 26396)

Dec 16, 2002, 11:48 AM
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You're getting a Mirage right? I've heard good things about Mirage containers and I'd be very surprised if it came with velcro.


skyboyblue

Dec 16, 2002, 11:55 AM
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One of our riggers came up with a pretty good velcroless toggle keeper. Very similar to the one they have on the strong tandems. Has a elastic pouch for the bottom of the toggle and elastic pouch behind the toggle's grommet on the riser to hold the excess line. works well IMHO, and no tiny rubber bands/velcro to replace either. the only place I have velcro, is on my reserve risers, at least the last time I had to use it


kopelen  (D 25050)

Dec 16, 2002, 12:03 PM
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Mirage doesn't make a container with velcro tuck tabs. The order forms are referring to velcro or velcroless toggles on your risers!!!Shocked


BikerBabe  (D 18644)

Dec 16, 2002, 12:06 PM
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Re: [moodyskydiver] to velcro or not to velcro? [In reply to] Can't Post

I would go with no velcro.

I, myself, have an older Vector II, with velcro. But I got a killer deal on it, brand new, off the shelf back in '96, and it fits almost perfectly. The velcro, up to now, is the ONLY thing I would do different.

That being said, the velcro riser covers consistently come undone in freefall, unless the risers are packed very tediously and carefully.


CanuckInUSA  (D 26396)

Dec 16, 2002, 12:10 PM
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In reply to:
That being said, the velcro riser covers consistently come undone in freefall, unless the risers are packed very tediously and carefully.

Not a good thing while doing a free fly jump. ShockedCrazyPirate


YahooLV  (D License)

Dec 16, 2002, 12:19 PM
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Re: [moodyskydiver] to velcro or not to velcro? [In reply to] Can't Post

use the tabs. Velcro totally blows, and it can sometimes fall apart when it gets a bit older.

I've had a few surprises due to velcro being worn. It's not fun.


bwilling  (C 13618)

Dec 16, 2002, 12:20 PM
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Re: [BikerBabe] to velcro or not to velcro? [In reply to] Can't Post

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That being said, the velcro riser covers consistently come undone in freefall, unless the risers are packed very tediously and carefully.

Geez, bikerbabe, take that thing to your rigger, or send it back to RWS, and have that stuff replaced! That's even potentially dangerous for belly flying, unless you guys never ever funnel.

That's why nobody's using velcro anymore, it's not that it doesn't work, it's that it's too high maintenance!!!Tongue It degrades gradually over time, with each and every peeling and unpeeling, and requires vigilant maintenance to perform the duties for which it was intended.


BikerBabe  (D 18644)

Dec 16, 2002, 1:18 PM
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Re: [bwilling] to velcro or not to velcro? [In reply to] Can't Post

Oh, I will. It's a matter of a) scrounging up the money (my income is carefully budgeted to cover training and meets...) and b) finding a time when my rig can be out of commission for a time...I've been jumping my ass off lately!

But like I said, I know how to pack it so the velcro doesn't come undone.


moodyskydiver

Dec 16, 2002, 1:25 PM
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Re: [kopelen] to velcro or not to velcro? [In reply to] Can't Post

I didnt say Mirage made a velcro tuck tab.I understood the order form to mean velcro/nonvelcro toggles.. I was asking if people had/preferred the non velcro tucking system over the velcro.


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Dec 16, 2002, 1:30 PM
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Re: [moodyskydiver] to velcro or not to velcro? [In reply to] Can't Post

The tuck tabs are different then the toggle attachment method. Tuck tabs cover the risers while the toggles are a different thing completely.


CanuckInUSA  (D 26396)

Dec 16, 2002, 1:30 PM
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Re: [BikerBabe] to velcro or not to velcro? [In reply to] Can't Post

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I've been jumping my ass off lately!

I know Bikerbabe is a spunky ball of skydiving energy, but walking around without an ass? Oh the visuals. Crazy

Ok, I'm guilty of post-whoring right now. Angelic


moodyskydiver

Dec 16, 2002, 1:35 PM
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Re: [PhreeZone] to velcro or not to velcro? [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes,I understand that.. apparently I'm just not making myself clear so nevermind.


Michele  (B 26874)

Dec 16, 2002, 2:46 PM
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Re: [moodyskydiver] to velcro or not to velcro? [In reply to] Can't Post

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Yes,I understand that.. apparently I'm just not making myself clear so nevermind.

I think what Moody's asking is:

Should she get toggles with or without velcro? Opinions? Hazards? bennies?

(That about right, Moody? )

I got velcro toggles. They're fine. I've never used anything else, tho, so I have nothing to compare it to.

Ciels-
Michele


AggieDave  (D License)

Dec 16, 2002, 2:51 PM
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Re: [Michele] to velcro or not to velcro? [In reply to] Can't Post

I'd go with OUT velcro on the toggles.

Why?

The velcro, if you're not careful, will chew your brake lines up, which sucks.


Sonic  (B 102345)

Dec 16, 2002, 2:59 PM
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Re: [AggieDave] to velcro or not to velcro? [In reply to] Can't Post

Plus you can't pull the slider down Wink


AggieDave  (D License)

Dec 16, 2002, 3:00 PM
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Re: [Sonic] to velcro or not to velcro? [In reply to] Can't Post

Yeah you can. Velcro doesn't effect that, riser size and if you use slinks or big bumpers on your rapid links does.Smile


dreamsville  (D 25528)

Dec 16, 2002, 3:02 PM
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Re: [Michele] to velcro or not to velcro? [In reply to] Can't Post

Go to Velcro-less toggles. As the Velcro wears, it can peel off upon opening and release, causing a spin. It's also true that Velcro-less toggles need to be inspected for frayed stitching, but the latter last longer.

Harry


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Dec 16, 2002, 3:03 PM
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Re: [AggieDave] to velcro or not to velcro? [In reply to] Can't Post

I like velcro toggles.

Why?

On no-velcro toggle systems, there is usually no provision for stowing the excess steering line. That excess steering line not being stowed has created several situations that ended in cutaways. That sucks... right, IronMike? (he only had it happen twice...)


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Dec 16, 2002, 3:03 PM
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Re: [Sonic] to velcro or not to velcro? [In reply to] Can't Post

>The only bits of velcro I want on my rig are the bits that hold the
> cutaway / reserve pads on.

You probably have quite a bit of velcro in your reserve system - freebag stow pocket and reserve riser toggles at the very least.


CanuckInUSA  (D 26396)

Dec 16, 2002, 3:05 PM
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Re: [skybytch] to velcro or not to velcro? [In reply to] Can't Post

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I like velcro toggles.

Why?

On no-velcro toggle systems, there is usually no provision for stowing the excess steering line. That excess steering line not being stowed has created several situations that ended in cutaways. That sucks... right, IronMike? (he only had it happen twice...)

But ... but ... but ... you sold me a rig with velcro-less toggles? Not to worry though as Hooknswoop showed me a way to stow the loose ends. Wink


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