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buzzfink  (D 13652)

Nov 19, 2002, 8:18 AM
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I've watched as Treetop has danced around questions such as "why won't he provide his original statement". I would like to make this thread available to anyone wanting to ask me any questions. I promise to be civil and not attack anyone with a different point of view.

Probably the most controversial point about me is that my Drop Zone is Cypres Required. I hear it all the time that if elected I might vote to make USPA AAD required. Nothing can be further from the truth. I believe in personal freedoms. For instance, I was against the State of California requiring motorcyclist to wear helmets. However, if someone goes to a private race track, I feel it is appropriate for the owner to require helmets.

Anyway, regardless of who you vote for, please learn about the candidates and vote.

Thanks and Blue Skies!


Alan "Buzz" Fink


Michele  (B 26874)

Nov 19, 2002, 8:23 AM
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Morning, Buzz...

O.K., I'll jump in.

1. In your candidate's statement, you speak of the State Liability Act as it pertains to skiing...how do you see that translating to skydiving?

2. How do you envision communications being better with the membership?

Thanks!

Ciels-
Michele


AggieDave  (D License)

Nov 19, 2002, 8:24 AM
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First of all, thank you for this opportunity to "talk" to you, since I have yet to met you in person.

What are your thoughts on the current age limits placed on jumpers (not tandems)? Do you think that with some lobbying, the age limit could be lowered, thus removing situations like the GM/WFFC conflict?


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Nov 19, 2002, 8:36 AM
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A bit more unusual questions from me today...

Do you think the US Nationals should be held at the same DZ every year, keep it on a bidding basis, or create someplace neutral (like Rantoul, Quincy, etc) and have the airplanes and other things be basis on a contract bidding system?

Do you think the ISP impacts the way that most DZ's teach their student programs and do you support or would you fight against a motion to force DZ's to apply to a standerdized training schedule on every jump?


buzzfink  (D 13652)

Nov 19, 2002, 8:45 AM
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1. In your candidates statement, you speak of the State Liability Act as it pertains to skiing...how do you see that translating to skydiving?

The Skiing industry was being faced with lawsuits left and right. They had the clout to draft model liability legislation that essentially put everyone in a particular state on notice that skiing was dangerous and you could be hurt or killed if you participate. Similar to the wording in our waivers. By doing that the law prevented money hungry trial lawyers from going on the attack everytime someone was hurt, even if it was their own fault. Ed Scott with USPA has developed the same type of legislation for skydiving. I feel it is in our (the association and memberships) best interest to get this into as many states as possible. No one wants to see there nearby DZ go out of business due to frivolous lawsuits.

2. How do you envision communications being better with the membership?

Simple. An e-mail list should be maintained via the website. Those interested should sign up to be kept informed on Board issues. Especially for the rating holders. I do not believe the BSR's should be changed without soliciting input from the rating holders. In addition, more needs to be communicated to the membership through Parachutist, S&T newsletter and other means.
Thanks for the questions.

Blue Skies!

Alan "Buzz" Fink


buzzfink  (D 13652)

Nov 19, 2002, 8:50 AM
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What are your thoughts on the current age limits placed on jumpers (not tandems)? Do you think that with some lobbying, the age limit could be lowered, thus removing situations like the GM/WFFC conflict?
I do not believe the BSR's are the right place to place an age limit. Usually, it is not a safety question as much as a liability issue. USPA needs to look long and hard as to why it wants age restrictions in the BSR's. Perhaps a better solution is to make age recommendations. I believe it is wrong to deny the WFFC Group Member status because a 16 year old with thousands of jumps will be jumping there. It's time to remove the restriction from the BSR's.

Thanks for the question. Blue Skies!

Alan "Buzz" Fink


kallend  (D 23151)

Nov 19, 2002, 8:57 AM
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What do you think are the most serious issues we face right now with respect to "keeping skydivers skydiving"? What can USPA do about them?


buzzfink  (D 13652)

Nov 19, 2002, 9:04 AM
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<<<Do you think the US Nationals should be held at the same DZ every year, keep it on a bidding basis, or create someplace neutral (like Rantoul, Quincy, etc) and have the airplanes and other things be basis on a contract bidding system?>>>>

With the knowledge I currently have, I believe the current bid system is best. However, the DZ that host the Nationals must be able to meet the needs of the competitors. These needs that need to be evaluated should include prior weather history. I don't think a single place is the best way to host the Nationals. With that said, I think more efforts to ascertain the needs of the competitors should be done. Don't just send out a questionnaire and be happy with the 5% that send them back. Take a proactive role by assigning someone to call the competitors that did not respond. If you REALLY want to know what the competitors want you have to be willing to take that extra step. And yes, it will cost some money to do this. But that is what we are here to do, service the membership.

<<<Do you think the ISP impacts the way that most DZ's teach their student programs and do you support or would you fight against a motion to force DZ's to apply to a standardized training schedule on every jump?>>>

I believe the ISP is a good guide. I do not believe USPA should try to make one program work for everyone. The Basic Safety Requirements should be just that-Basic. USPA should provide guidelines as to how to run a student progression but not try to over regulate them. Let the DZ's and Instructors have the freedom to run their own programs. Of course, their needs to be certain criteria that need to be met but let the DZ's run their program.

Thanks and Blue Skies!


Buzz


Jimbo  (D License)

Nov 19, 2002, 9:06 AM
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Here's goes...

You said: 'Probably the most controversial point about me is that my Drop Zone is Cypres Required.' and then in the same paragraph you say this: 'I hear it all the time that if elected I might vote to make USPA AAD required. Nothing can be further from the truth.', and this: 'I believe in personal freedoms.'.

How can we as skydivers be expected to believe this? You claim to belive in personal freedoms, yet you restrict them at your own DZ. I don't get it. If you're perceived as deceptive on this issue how can we trust you on others? I believe to really know a man we should look at his actions, not his words.

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Jim


buzzfink  (D 13652)

Nov 19, 2002, 9:08 AM
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<<<What do you think are the most serious issues we face right now with respect to "keeping skydivers skydiving"? What can USPA do about them?>>>>

I believe the most serious issue is post 9-11 over-regulation. I believe keeping Ed Scott of USPA in touch with all the letter organizations (AOPA, NBAA, etc.) and working together we can keep our planes flying and our jumpers jumping.

On a personal note, not many people understand how much Ed Scott has done for skydiving. To me, he is the single most valuable person at USPA Headquarters.

Thanks and Blue Skies!


Alan "Buzz" Fink


buzzfink  (D 13652)

Nov 19, 2002, 9:12 AM
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<<<You claim to believe in personal freedoms, yet you restrict them at your own DZ. I don't get it. >>>

Jimbo,
You and I have beat this one into the ground. I do not belive the government or USPA should require AAD's. I do believe a Drop Zone has the right to set rules as they see fit.

Anyway, Blue Skies!


Alan "Buzz" Fink


happythoughts  (D License)

Nov 19, 2002, 9:30 AM
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Jimbo,
You and I have beat this one into the ground

Buzz, just to avoid confusion, this is not Jimbo (Jim Bozarth), this is a different guy, same logon id.

I don't know why the accusatory, suspicious reply. The whole conspiracy issue is well noted for its source. Don't worry about it. I have read your replies before. Keep them coming.

Bill


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Nov 19, 2002, 9:37 AM
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>How can we as skydivers be expected to believe this? You claim to
>belive in personal freedoms, yet you restrict them at your own DZ.

So does every other DZO. Some do not allow you to swoop the main landing area; yet USPA has no BSR's on where you can swoop. Some do not allow you outside (or inside) a beer line; yet USPA has no BSR's on where you can or can't be in relation to the beer line. Some require freeflyers to get out after belly flyers; yet USPA has no BSR's on that issue. Some require camera flyers to have X jumps before flying camera, or jumping a small canopy, yet USPA has no BSR's on that issue. More importantly, none of the BOD members who are DZO's of such DZ's have proposed such rules.

So I would ask you - why do you think that Buzz is the _only_ candidate who would try to take local DZ rules and implement them on a widespread basis?


buzzfink  (D 13652)

Nov 19, 2002, 9:41 AM
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Thanks.


Alan "Buzz" Fink


livendive  (D 21415)

Nov 19, 2002, 10:01 AM
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>How can we as skydivers be expected to believe this? You claim to
>belive in personal freedoms, yet you restrict them at your own DZ.

So does every other DZO. Some do not allow you to swoop the main landing area; yet USPA has no BSR's on where you can swoop. Some do not allow you outside (or inside) a beer line; yet USPA has no BSR's on where you can or can't be in relation to the beer line. Some require freeflyers to get out after belly flyers; yet USPA has no BSR's on that issue. Some require camera flyers to have X jumps before flying camera, or jumping a small canopy, yet USPA has no BSR's on that issue. More importantly, none of the BOD members who are DZO's of such DZ's have proposed such rules.

So I would ask you - why do you think that Buzz is the _only_ candidate who would try to take local DZ rules and implement them on a widespread basis?

As USPA couldn't very well make a map of every beer line and landing area at every dropzone in the US, that particular portion is not really relevant. As for x jumps before jumping a camera or hotrod, I don't know if any current DZO BoD members have such rules, and if they don't, why would they try to make USPA have them. In any case, such things are qualifications to be achieved, not blanket requirements, regardless of experience.

Buzz doesn't think skydivers should make up their own minds on whether they wear an AAD, he wants to make up their minds for them. I personally don't want a director who thinks he knows better than the people he represents. Sure, in some cases, it will be necessary for a representative in any government to vote his conscience rather than popular sentiment. But if a candidate lets you know upfront that he considers his opinion (on a controversial subject) to be more important than yours (even if it's your life on the line), he's probably not someone who will defer to your opinion on other (less controversial) subjects either.

Blues,
Dave


SudsyFist

Nov 19, 2002, 10:13 AM
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But if a candidate lets you know upfront that he considers his opinion (on a controversial subject) to be more important than yours (even if it's your life on the line), he's probably not someone who will defer to your opinion on other (less controversial) subjects either.
to me, that's characteristic of a strong leader, a rarity among political types. (disclaimer: i don't know buzz from adam. i jump at perris. Tongue)

in a democratic situation, you can hardly ask for better; your yay or nay is easily determined by how much commonality you share with the candidate on pertinent issues. less chance for wicked surprises (i.e., position shift based upon lobbying or other influences).

steve


Jimbo  (D License)

Nov 19, 2002, 10:39 AM
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Bill,

You're reading entirely too much into this. I asked Buzz specifically why we should trust that he won't vote for mandatory AAD usage when he already requires it at his own DZ.

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So I would ask you - why do you think that Buzz is the _only_ candidate who would try to take local DZ rules and implement them on a widespread basis?

Exactly where did I mention Bill that I thought Buzz was the only candidate who would try to take his local DZ rules and implement them on a widespread basis? I've read and re-read my post and I don't see it. If there were other candidates here who said the believed in one thing and their actions showed differently I would ask them the same question.

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Jim


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Nov 19, 2002, 10:50 AM
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>Buzz doesn't think skydivers should make up their own minds on
> whether they wear an AAD, he wants to make up their minds for
> them. I personally don't want a director who thinks he knows better
> than the people he represents.

As he will not represent his own DZ, but DZ's from all over the country, that point really isn't relevant. It makes about as much sense as saying he will require all people to jump out otters because he has an otter, and therefore "wants to make up the minds" of everyone who jumps at his place by forcing them to jump out of an otter.

>Sure, in some cases, it will be necessary for a representative in any
> government to vote his conscience rather than popular sentiment.

I think it is _required_ that candidates vote their conscience. We do not have a pure democracy here in the US for a reason; I vote for people I think will do a good job, not people I think will always bow to popular opinion.

>But if a candidate lets you know upfront that he considers his opinion
> (on a controversial subject) to be more important than yours (even
> if it's your life on the line), he's probably not someone who will defer
> to your opinion on other (less controversial) subjects either.

His opinion is that DZ's should make their own decisions on AAD usage. He's said that upfront. He will not likely change his mind. If you disagree with that, or think he's a liar, don't vote for him. I know him well enough to know he's not a liar; you may not.


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Nov 19, 2002, 10:53 AM
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>Exactly where did I mention Bill that I thought Buzz was the only
> candidate who would try to take his local DZ rules and implement
> them on a widespread basis?

I don't think you did say that, but as several candidates are DZO's, and all their DZ's have rules not covered by the BSR's, I assumed that was OK with you. If it's not - if you will not vote for any DZO that has any rules beyond the BSR's - then I apologize for making that assumption.


kallend  (D 23151)

Nov 19, 2002, 10:56 AM
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>How can we as skydivers be expected to believe this? You claim to
>belive in personal freedoms, yet you restrict them at your own DZ.

So does every other DZO. Some do not allow you to swoop the main landing area; yet USPA has no BSR's on where you can swoop. Some do not allow you outside (or inside) a beer line; yet USPA has no BSR's on where you can or can't be in relation to the beer line. Some require freeflyers to get out after belly flyers; yet USPA has no BSR's on that issue. Some require camera flyers to have X jumps before flying camera, or jumping a small canopy, yet USPA has no BSR's on that issue. More importantly, none of the BOD members who are DZO's of such DZ's have proposed such rules.

So I would ask you - why do you think that Buzz is the _only_ candidate who would try to take local DZ rules and implement them on a widespread basis?

I don't see any inconsistency in Buzz's position. I don't allow anyone to smoke (tobacco or pot) in my house, but I don't advocate outlawing smoking (in fact, I think pot smoking should be legal too, for adults). Buzz can set whatever rules he likes at his DZ, and the customer base will reward or punish him as the customer sees fit. Buzz's probably better off if all the complainers go elsewhere.

(This post was edited by kallend on Nov 19, 2002, 11:11 AM)


Luminous  (D 19251)

Nov 19, 2002, 11:00 AM
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As he will not represent his own DZ, but DZ's from all over the country, that point really isn't relevant.

This is exactly why DZO's should not be on the BOD. The BOD should represent the base membership, (aka: jumpers), not the group membership.

My Opinion.
BSBD
Larry


jlmiracle  (D License)

Nov 19, 2002, 11:00 AM
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If Buzz was elected and even if Buzz wanted to TRY and make AAD's mandatory at all DZ's he has to convince the rest of the BOD's.

If elected, its not like Buzz or any other candidate by themself can change the rules.

judy


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Nov 19, 2002, 11:04 AM
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This is exactly why DZO's should not be on the BOD.

Dunno if I agree with this. I think, though, that we might want to ensure that too many BOD members aren't DZ owners -- maybe an overall limit of 2 or 3 or something like that.

They are definitely part of the parachuting worldscape, and if we can talk together instead of having our organization contact their organization it's probably easier in the long run.

Wendy W.


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Nov 19, 2002, 11:07 AM
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>This is exactly why DZO's should not be on the BOD. The BOD should
> represent the base membership, (aka: jumpers), not the group
> membership.

That's a good point. There are several candidates who are more DZO than fun jumper, and people may want to take that into account. I can see the value of having a 'balanced' board as well - one where both fun jumpers interests and DZO's interests are balanced. Both are important for skydiving to remain the sport it is.


happythoughts  (D License)

Nov 19, 2002, 11:08 AM
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As he will not represent his own DZ, but DZ's from all over the country, that point really isn't relevant.

This is exactly why DZO's should not be on the BOD. The BOD should represent the base membership, (aka: jumpers), not the group membership.

My Opinion.
BSBD
Larry

The BOD is representing skydiving. DZOs know a little about the industry, government, and business. I like the idea of a knowledgeable decision maker.


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