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Poll: Barrel roll during track?
Yes - usually a good idea 54 / 28%
No - usually a bad idea 115 / 61%
Other - explain 21 / 11%
190 total votes
 
aguila  (B 1009)

Feb 20, 2007, 7:08 PM
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Out of curiosity... Have you tried it when skydiving?

Have you ever identified anyone above you when you've used it?

From your question it is evident you have not tried it.

Imagine a whuffo telling your altimeter is useless because it is impossible you see the numbers when you are falling down at 120 mph.

If this is a similar case, I give up Crazy ... but I will keep using it Smile


hookitt  (D License)

Feb 20, 2007, 7:22 PM
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Altimeters can be seen just by looking back at your hand when you track. Where do you put the mirror to see above you?


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Feb 20, 2007, 7:43 PM
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I can't believe you guys are STILL responding to gonzo's insanity.Crazy


aguila  (B 1009)

Feb 20, 2007, 7:48 PM
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Altimeters can be seen just by looking back at your hand when you track. Where do you put the mirror to see above you?

Please see the picture I posted along with the explanation on how to use it. You are not supposed to use the mirror while tracking. You use it right before pulling.


aguila  (B 1009)

Feb 20, 2007, 7:58 PM
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I can't believe you guys are STILL responding to gonzo's insanity.Crazy

Every thing is possible. I am responding to you! LOL Laugh


hookitt  (D License)

Feb 20, 2007, 9:11 PM
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Re: [aguila] Barrel roll during track? [In reply to] Can't Post

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Altimeters can be seen just by looking back at your hand when you track. Where do you put the mirror to see above you?

Please see the picture I posted along with the explanation on how to use it. You are not supposed to use the mirror while tracking. You use it right before pulling.

I never stop tracking before pulling. Kinda hard to look in the mirror that way Wink


hookitt  (D License)

Feb 20, 2007, 9:14 PM
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Re: [popsjumper] Barrel roll during track? [In reply to] Can't Post

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I can't believe you guys are STILL responding to gonzo's insanity.Crazy

Yeah crazy isn't it Laugh


sundevil777  (D License)

Feb 20, 2007, 9:28 PM
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Re: [aguila] Barrel roll during track? [In reply to] Can't Post

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Out of curiosity... Have you tried it when skydiving?

Have you ever identified anyone above you when you've used it?

From your question it is evident you have not tried it.

You are correct, you're the only one that I've ever heard of using it. I'm wondering if it ever showed someone to you?


(This post was edited by sundevil777 on Feb 20, 2007, 9:29 PM)


yoink

Feb 21, 2007, 2:40 AM
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Altimeters can be seen just by looking back at your hand when you track. Where do you put the mirror to see above you?

Please see the picture I posted along with the explanation on how to use it. You are not supposed to use the mirror while tracking. You use it right before pulling.

OK, for the sake of argument lets say that you use a wrist mounted mirror exactly as you describe - you track away from a formation, flare out of your track, check your mirror and then see someone above you...

What then?

You've already stopped tracking. You've now limited your options - the primary one is now sucking it low. Way to go! Unsure

You will not be able to get back into an effective track and avoid someone simply because you need time and distance to build up the speed to do so.

Seriously, I'm curious what you think you'll do if you see someone above you in your wrist-mirror at 2500ft?


wildcard451  (D License)

Feb 21, 2007, 6:18 AM
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Re: [hookitt] Barrel roll during track? [In reply to] Can't Post

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Altimeters can be seen just by looking back at your hand when you track. Where do you put the mirror to see above you?

Please see the picture I posted along with the explanation on how to use it. You are not supposed to use the mirror while tracking. You use it right before pulling.

I never stop tracking before pulling. Kinda hard to look in the mirror that way Wink

This idea and I get along. Track hard and pull.


kallend  (D 23151)

Feb 21, 2007, 6:51 AM
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Altimeters can be seen just by looking back at your hand when you track. Where do you put the mirror to see above you?

Please see the picture I posted along with the explanation on how to use it. You are not supposed to use the mirror while tracking. You use it right before pulling.

I never stop tracking before pulling. Kinda hard to look in the mirror that way Wink

Don't you "wave off"?


wildcard451  (D License)

Feb 21, 2007, 7:30 AM
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Re: [kallend] Barrel roll during track? [In reply to] Can't Post

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Altimeters can be seen just by looking back at your hand when you track. Where do you put the mirror to see above you?

Please see the picture I posted along with the explanation on how to use it. You are not supposed to use the mirror while tracking. You use it right before pulling.

I never stop tracking before pulling. Kinda hard to look in the mirror that way Wink

Don't you "wave off"?

Just roll over to see if anyone is above you and the need for a wave off is taken care of.


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Feb 21, 2007, 9:31 AM
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>Just roll over to see if anyone is above you and the need for a wave off is taken care of.

This is absolutely untrue, and is a very dangerous piece of advice to give. Waveoff isn't for you - it's for the people near you (who may not even be above you yet) to tell them you are about to pull. I don't care how good a barrel roller you think you are - you're still not going to see someone at your six o'clock just above you.

A waveoff is essential before the pull to warn other jumpers that they are about to see your canopy.


hookitt  (D License)

Feb 21, 2007, 9:39 AM
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Re: [kallend] Barrel roll during track? [In reply to] Can't Post

I knew that was coming. The pilot chute usually gets tossed unannounced without regard to what's around me. Poof! I'm a hazard if you ask me. Wink

Note the emoticon to indicate that was not a serious response.

Of course I do. If people are anywhere near me they know I'm pulling.

And now back to the mirror Bob!


wildcard451  (D License)

Feb 21, 2007, 9:49 AM
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Re: [billvon] Barrel roll during track? [In reply to] Can't Post

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>Just roll over to see if anyone is above you and the need for a wave off is taken care of.

This is absolutely untrue, and is a very dangerous piece of advice to give. Waveoff isn't for you - it's for the people near you (who may not even be above you yet) to tell them you are about to pull. I don't care how good a barrel roller you think you are - you're still not going to see someone at your six o'clock just above you.

A waveoff is essential before the pull to warn other jumpers that they are about to see your canopy.

*sigh* there's always one...

Well, quite frankly, that advice is to weed out the slow swimmers. If anyone actually believed that, please, sell your gear to someone with a clue and get the hell out of the sport. I was wondering who would be first to bite.

Oh well, I think with all the talk of mirrors and such in this thread, I am going to have to leave before the insanity just gets too much for me and I start trolling the morons we have here.

Barrel roll or not, just don't fucking kill me.


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Feb 21, 2007, 10:31 AM
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Re: [wildcard451] Barrel roll during track? [In reply to] Can't Post

>If anyone actually believed that, please, sell your gear to
>someone with a clue and get the hell out of the sport.

From PM's I've received, people DO believe things like that. I got a PM recently asking me if it was true that everyone in the 400-way was required to barrel roll before pulling, and should they be practicing that. So I am very careful nowadays to identify what's bad/sarcastic advice.


stratostar  (Student)

Feb 21, 2007, 10:37 AM
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Re: [billvon] Barrel roll during track? [In reply to] Can't Post

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A waveoff is essential before the pull to warn other jumpers that they are about to see your canopy

Or to tell those on the ground to get out of my landing area.Wink

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From PM's I've received, people DO believe things like that. I got a PM recently asking me if it was true that everyone in the 400-way was required to barrel roll before pulling, and should they be practicing that.

I got a bad case of cramps from laughing to much. You should have said yes, but they have to attend a big way barrel roll camp.Tongue


(This post was edited by stratostar on Feb 21, 2007, 10:40 AM)


aguila  (B 1009)

Feb 21, 2007, 11:34 AM
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Re: [hookitt] Barrel roll during track? [In reply to] Can't Post

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I never stop tracking before pullingWink
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The new lines are not too expensive. That is up too you, but there are people here using old rented big canopies

edited to add: Seriously: I think you are unsafe here. I really do not care how you open your canopy because you do not jump with us (hope so)


If you are used to opening that way the jumpers before you would need mirrors to spot you. Otherwise they would end up with torticollis


(This post was edited by aguila on Feb 21, 2007, 12:07 PM)


aguila  (B 1009)

Feb 21, 2007, 11:38 AM
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I can't believe you guys are STILL responding to gonzo's insanity.Crazy


Neither can I [LOL laugh]LaughLaugh


aguila  (B 1009)

Feb 21, 2007, 11:47 AM
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Seriously, I'm curious what you think you'll do if you see someone above you in your wrist-mirror at 2500ft?

Bitiching about them? Laugh


hookitt  (D License)

Feb 21, 2007, 12:24 PM
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This is where I actually have to say you don't know what you're talking about.

I jump primarily in Byron California and invite you to join me for a day of free coaching. Just let me know when you can make it.

Edit: I mean no disrepect by the way and I'm serious about the invitation.

Cheers


(This post was edited by hookitt on Feb 21, 2007, 12:47 PM)


wildcard451  (D License)

Feb 21, 2007, 10:03 PM
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This is where I actually have to say you don't know what you're talking about.

I jump primarily in Byron California and invite you to join me for a day of free coaching. Just let me know when you can make it.

Edit: I mean no disrepect by the way and I'm serious about the invitation.

Cheers

What could you possibly teach him?


aguila  (B 1009)

Feb 22, 2007, 1:22 PM
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This is where I actually have to say you don't know what you're talking about.

I jump primarily in Byron California and invite you to join me for a day of free coaching. Just let me know when you can make it.

Edit: I mean no disrepect by the way and I'm serious about the invitation.

Cheers

Thank you! Smile I loved to! Free coaching! Be sure if I can go I will not waste it.

But I am afraid I do not know what are you talking about because you did not quote what I said Frown


(This post was edited by aguila on Feb 22, 2007, 1:24 PM)


diablopilot  (D License)

Feb 22, 2007, 2:57 PM
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So I am very careful nowadays to identify what's bad/sarcastic advice.

Here's some advice for people. Stop taking advice from DZ.com period. It's assisting this sport to the mindless level of those that can only eat pudding in padded rooms with plastic spoons.


IanHarrop  (C 1152)

Feb 22, 2007, 5:07 PM
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Re: [diablopilot] Barrel roll during track? [In reply to] Can't Post

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Here's some advice for people. Stop taking advice from DZ.com period. It's assisting this sport to the mindless level of those that can only eat pudding in padded rooms with plastic spoons.

I've been watching and smiling while this thread has played out, but this last statement is this first one I've been compelled to respond to because now I have a dilemma.

"Stop taking advice from DZ.com period."

If I take you advice I have to not take your advice.... Crazy

Reminds me of an old StarTrek episode when Spock confused an android. Cool Edit: It might have been Kirk - memory fades, I am 50 you know.

Just in case anyone wants to know: I don't do barrel rolls, I don't use a mirror, and I track like my life depends on it because it doesTongue


(This post was edited by IanHarrop on Feb 22, 2007, 5:08 PM)


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