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hooked

Nov 3, 2002, 10:27 PM
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Since I have not actually started AFF or SL yet, I think I should ask this question. What kind of strength is needed for the hands in landing a chute? I ask because, I might be developing some arthritis in my fingers and if that is going to play a role in being able to pull on the toggles, I think I would want to know. Repetitive use seems to leave me in a bit of pain and the finger joints swollen.

J


AggieDave  (D License)

Nov 3, 2002, 10:32 PM
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You don't have to grip the toggles hard, you can slide your hand (to the thumb, I wouldn't recommend past it, incase something happens and you have to pull your hand out) into the toggle. This way you only have to keep your hand closed to keep the toggle from sliding off the end of your hand, not actually pulling with your hand.

As for strength needed for piloting a canopy, generally speaking, if you have the stregnth to live out your normal life, then you should not have a problem there.

(edited since I left out a very important "not" in the last line...d'oh)


(This post was edited by AggieDave on Nov 3, 2002, 10:53 PM)


hooked

Nov 3, 2002, 10:51 PM
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Thanks, I was wondering about the 'gripping' part, because that would be the problem. Strength, I have. Actually, it has been just recently that I have noticed the sore joints, but only if I have repeatedly had to do repetitive gripping.

I've been here awhile, and it is so hard to post and try to word stuff, so that someone doesn't "take off" with the wording.Crazy Sometimes things are just taken the wrong way, and I find myself trying to word things so that won't happen!Laugh

J

J


Lolie  (C License)

Nov 3, 2002, 11:04 PM
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As for strength needed for piloting a canopy, generally speaking, if you have the stregnth to live out your normal life, then you should not have a problem there.

I remember on my first solo jump, I was really nervous about how hard it would be to pull on a toggle. I thought it was going to be like steering the tandem (on which I practically needed both hands to make 90 degree turn!).


Casch

Nov 3, 2002, 11:37 PM
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Your saying your only recently noticing the pain in your joints? A big contrabution to that I would imagine is the beginning of the cold weather. I'm sure by next spring when it warms up you won't even notice. Wink


bobsoutar  (D 5310)

Nov 4, 2002, 3:14 AM
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Couple of friends of mine had similar problems with the finger joints.

Have you tried taking Glucosamine & Chrondroitin capsules? They seem to do absolutely nothing and then suddenly the problem disappears after about a month.

Also, get a packing tool if you are going to be packing - much easier on the fingers than a normal pull up chord.


sunshine  (D License)

Nov 4, 2002, 6:19 AM
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I feel like such a wimp after reading the other responses. When i first started jumping, i was under a Manta 288. I didn't have the strength to fully flare the thing. Also as a student by my 3rd jump of the day, i was so physically exhausted. I guess it's one of those things you won't really know if you have the strength until you try it.


Premier wmw999  (D 6296)

Nov 4, 2002, 7:59 AM
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There's a huge difference among canopies. You don't get to choose when you're a student, but take into account the difficulty of flaring whenever you go to buy gear (and get advice anyway -- there might be a choice among the student gear at your DZ).
There are canopies I find very tiring to steer, and I'm not particularly weak. Maybe it's the trim on that particular canopy, maybe it's the type -- both can happen.
Of course, rounds have almost no toggle pressure Wink
Wendy W.


hooked

Nov 4, 2002, 8:06 AM
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Couple of friends of mine had similar problems with the finger joints.

Have you tried taking Glucosamine & Chrondroitin capsules? They seem to do absolutely nothing and then suddenly the problem disappears after about a month.

Hey, thanks, I have thought about it, I just hate taking pills though. Worth a shot anyway.

Casch, you made a good point about the cold. That probably has a lot to do with it also.

I guess I should have reworded this post and left out the "strength" part. I have the strength (I think)Crazy. It wasn't the strength, I was concerned about.

J


seedy  (Student)

Nov 4, 2002, 1:08 PM
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I have a touch of arthritis in my fingers that only bother me in cooler weather, but the way the toggles are made, you use your hand, not your fingers anyway. I think any person of normal strength would have no problem with canopy control.


Designer  (D 5771)

Nov 4, 2002, 3:22 PM
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 Hey,I,m a 120 weakling(the skinniest guy ever!)Seriously,have had some hand problems with some arthritis in my hands over many years of jumping.BEWARE,the COLD weather,my solution after my first 3 years jumping was to TAKE THE WINTER OFF!Better yet, jump all year round in Florida or California,Arizona.


clrarch  (A License)

Nov 4, 2002, 3:36 PM
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I've also had trouble flaring my canopy. I start to flare and get to about my collarbone and then.....ugh....so I get in my head that I need to REALLY push to get past my collarbone. Once the resistance gives there, I end up slamming down into the bottom of my flare because I've pushed so darn hard. On the recommendation of one of my JM's, I've started doing a lot of tricep work because my lack of strength there seems to be the cause of the problem. I've been rowing for about 10 years and have no tricep strength. I can pull really hard on an oar, though Tongue Does anyone have any other recommendations?


Lolie  (C License)

Nov 4, 2002, 3:45 PM
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What size canopy are you jumping? And what is your wingloading? It's probably because you're still a student and under a bus of a canopy. I had some trouble flaring when I was on a big student rig. Now I'm still on a big canopy (210!!!), but have no worries.


clrarch  (A License)

Nov 4, 2002, 4:08 PM
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For my AFF Levels 1-5, I had a 240. For Level 6, I transitioned to a 220 (I'm 5'-9", 145 pounds--so that makes my wingloading around .8:1, if I'm doing the math right). I like to refer to the 220 as my "putt putt" canopy Smile But really, it feels zippy compared to the 240 Wink


Lolie  (C License)

Nov 4, 2002, 8:29 PM
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Actually, if the 145 lbs. is your weight out the door, your wingloading is closer to .65. Smile I'd say that's still big enough to make it a little hard to use your toggles. Once (or if you're like me, "if") you downsize when you get off student status, it'll take a lot less toggle input to turn and flare. (Or so it's been my experience, at least. YMMV.)


(This post was edited by Lolie on Nov 4, 2002, 8:30 PM)


clrarch  (A License)

Nov 5, 2002, 4:52 AM
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In reply to:
Actually, if the 145 lbs. is your weight out the door, your wingloading is closer to .65. Smile I'd say that's still big enough to make it a little hard to use your toggles. Once (or if you're like me, "if") you downsize when you get off student status, it'll take a lot less toggle input to turn and flare. (Or so it's been my experience, at least. YMMV.)

145 lbs. is my body weight---I'm estimating my weight out the door is closer to 180 lbs with my gear on (I'd be pretty skinny if my weight out the door was 145 at 5'-9" Smile) Once I'm off of student status, I'll talk to my instructors about downsizing. Looking through my logbook and thinking back about my jumps so far, I've had good canopy control for someone at my level----it's the flare I've had the most problems with. Downsizing to a 210 may help....


somethinelse  (A 46324)

Nov 5, 2002, 11:30 AM
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Re: [bobsoutar] Strength needed for skydiving? [In reply to] Can't Post

VEry good tip about the glucosomine & Condroton. Sorry about the spelling! I've heard some REALLY good results from people who've taken those, inaddition to my experience, too, but I haven't taken those in quite a while...
AND in my humble opinion: you really need to take them as advised and for about 6 weeks or before you start seeing good results from using them.

Well...that's just my $.02 worth anyhow.Wink


bobsoutar  (D 5310)

Nov 6, 2002, 2:37 AM
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Yes. I think a lot of people take high-strength or max on the dosage initially to build it up in the system.


Galen  (A License)

Nov 8, 2002, 9:04 AM
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I recommend a lot of 12 or 16 ounce curls.



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