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highfly  (F 19377)

Oct 25, 2002, 11:33 AM
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I have just recived a copy of "Into the Silk" by Ian Mackersey. There was a newspaper clipping inside with reference to an Ivan Maguire.

The clipping stated that this camera flyer managed to get into an aircraft with his full camera equipment on and no rigCrazy.

When the a/c reached altitude he proceeded to jump with the team without his rig.Unsure

This incident happened in 1988 and I am unclear as to weather it happend or not.

Please can I get some clarification on this please.

Is this another bad urban myth or is it fact.

Blue skies


Michele  (B 26874)

Oct 25, 2002, 11:39 AM
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Try running a search - seems to me there was a thread about it recently, but I can't remember who/what/when.../

Yes, it seems to have happened. Makes the phrase gear check a little more impactful...

Ciels-
Michele


highfly  (F 19377)

Oct 25, 2002, 11:43 AM
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Cheers Michele.

When I walk to the plane
  1. Check your handle
  2. Check your alti
  3. Check your handle
  4. Emergency drills
  5. Check your handle


And exactly the same thing happens all the way up until exit where I check my main pin.


Michele  (B 26874)

Oct 25, 2002, 11:58 AM
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When I walk to the plane

1. Check your handle
2. Check your alti
3. Check your handle
4. Emergency drills
5. Check your handle

Yup. I add the following.

a. Check around you for others' handles/straps
b. Check again for others' handles/straps
c. Check all mine about 47 million times
d. Check others' handles and straps...


At the door, one last touch to all three, and smile and go....

Ciels-
Michele


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Oct 25, 2002, 12:33 PM
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Yes, it happened. The videoflyer had a chest mounted recorder that looked a lot like a chest mounted reserve. In the mid 80's chest reseves were falling out of favor fast, but they were still there on older gear. The harness fitted like a skydiving harness. I've heard it a few different versions, but all the details are the same... impact with no rig.

Ask anyone with more then 1000 jumps how many times they've seen/had a mis routed chest strap. Gear checks are needed, but each jumper is responcible for their own gear.


highfly  (F 19377)

Oct 25, 2002, 12:41 PM
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Thats what I like in the UK.

FLIGHT LINE CHECKS!

I jumped in the USA last year and found it a bit of a shock to have no flight line checks as mandatory, but if you are blessed with a bit of common sense you get other people to check your gear as well as yourself.

Safety at the end of the day is in your own hands.


skreamer

Oct 25, 2002, 2:52 PM
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Thats what I like in the UK.

And thats one of the things I don't like. If you want a gear check then ask for one, I just don't like the fact that its mandatory. You said it yourself :
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Safety at the end of the day is in your own hands.
So why rely on others to check things you could/should check yourself? Too many people get lulled into a false sense of security by a gear check IMHO.

Will

PS I jump quite often with another Matt Robinson (freeflyer with about 400 jumps), bit of a co-incidence that.


pilotdave  (D License)

Oct 25, 2002, 5:39 PM
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I've seen a camera flyer get in the plane with no rig, but someone pointed out his mistake before the plane moved. He was just learning camera flying and was trying out his new camera suit/helmet setup. He never lived that one down.

Dave


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Oct 25, 2002, 5:47 PM
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He never lived that one down.

Wow, you mean they teased him to death?

Harsh man . . . really harsh. Sly


Kirils  (D License)

Oct 25, 2002, 8:02 PM
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Check out Mike Swain's book "The Endless Fall". A chuteless jump is documented and a video is available.


Spy38W

Oct 25, 2002, 8:04 PM
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In reply to:
Check out Mike Swain's book "The Endless Fall". A chuteless jump is documented and a video is available.

Really? Howzabout a Cliff's Notes version...


Cajones  (D License)

Oct 25, 2002, 8:09 PM
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Another factor in the guy with the chest mounted VCR: He had a tandem harness on, and had gone on a tandem with his video gear on a previous load.


Snowflake

Oct 25, 2002, 11:04 PM
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what he said
http://www.skydivingstunts.com/Pages/chuteless.html


rmcvey  (D 102366)

Oct 26, 2002, 12:13 PM
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I was told these photo's were fake. I heard he was wearing a harness under his jumpsuit and had a steel cable through his sleeve connected at the leg straps.

Anyone heard this/heard otherwise?? Either way they are excellent photos.


blewaway5  (A 38803)

Oct 26, 2002, 1:36 PM
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Yep, it's true. If you get a chance to see the video watch really closely. They do a good job editing around it but you can still get a glimpse of the cable every now and then while he's under canopy. Even so, it's still some wild video!


Parrot  (Student)

Oct 26, 2002, 3:57 PM
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Man, i wonder what the man thought when he noticed no gear and was heading for earth......

Horrible...........


Squeak  (E 1313)

Oct 26, 2002, 5:07 PM
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Janelin has an advertising poster (we have one at our DZ) it has a guy in a white jumpsuit doing the same thing, if you look closely at it you can see he outline of a webbing strap (or flat cable) running anlong his arm and attached to the container..

Regardless of the attachemnts,, it's an awsome picture and that guy has some BIG testicles.

Cool


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Oct 27, 2002, 5:55 AM
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Back in the 1960s, Bill Cole did a few chuteless jumps. Cole wore a harness with chest rings. and his buddy handed him a chest-mounted reserve in freefall. The camera malfunctioned on the first jump, so they repeated the stunt. CSPA banned Mr. Cole for his second chuteless jump.
A few other skydivers repeated the stunt. The last time it was documented in Andy Keech's book Skies Call 2 or 3?. Only this time, the hero clipped into a set of risers hanging off his buddy's leg straps.


Luna  (A 43126)

Oct 27, 2002, 5:30 PM
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The story documented in The Endless Fall that was mentioned by someone else was the story of Bill Cole, not these pictures. Bill's was in 1972, and it was not faked. Mike Swain, who wrote the book, was the one who did the video on the jump. Great story!


(This post was edited by Luna on Oct 27, 2002, 5:32 PM)


Premier wmw999  (D 6296)

Oct 27, 2002, 5:52 PM
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Rod Pack also did a chuteless jump in 1965. The first 8-way star had not been built yet.
Wendy W.Shocked


jimmytavino  (A 3914)

Oct 27, 2002, 6:03 PM
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I seem to remember this event, as a case where
the camera flyer entered the plane, with his rig and camera equipment,,, and yet somehow managed to
climb to altitude without ever actually donning
the gear.... He was apparently seated up near the cockpit,, and so was one of the last to exit,,,,,,,,
no one "downstream" of him, in the cabin, noticed...
and he exited with the rig still sittin' in the plane.....
makes you shake your head,,,, and wonder......
yet as this sport demonstrates to us on a regular basis,,,,anything is possible.....Gear check?????
I would say SO!!!.... at least a couple of times on the way to altitude....For me.... my favorite skydive
is the one that I am looking forward to making,,,,,,,,,,NEXT.....


jumpy  (A 8109)

Oct 28, 2002, 3:37 AM
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I've heard a few stories of such things happening to camera flyers. Apparently a dude did this at our DZ. He was just checking to see his alti was zero'd lots of times...scary shit... I'm told when he realised he retreated sheepishly back into the hanger Crazy As dangerous as it is..as long as you never made it on the plane your never gonna live that one down. Its coming out every 5 minutes i'm bettin...Laugh


pack40  (Student)

Oct 28, 2002, 5:24 AM
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Here in Hungary, before you board the plane, usually
you stand in a nice row and the jumpmaster (here it is called jumpcommander) checks your gear.

With my own eyes I saw -I was on the plane too- when a jumpcommander checked a gear of a jumper with ~13000 jumps (he holds the Hungarian record), and for the guy it was natural and did not say anything, did not try to stop because of his jumpnumber.


It is really strange when we jump sometimes there are whuffo passengers in the plane without rigs than come the jokes "I would not fly with this plane without a parachute etc. etc."

In US passangers are allowed to be on a jump plane?


dida  (D 27028)

Oct 28, 2002, 10:22 AM
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some buddies and i were discussing these incidences one day at the dz. we decided the acronym, SHAGG, listed in the SIM should be changed to SHRAGG:

Shoes
Helmet
Rig
Alti
Goggles
Gloves


Cajones  (D License)

Oct 28, 2002, 11:05 AM
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"Shoes, helmet... rig... darn it does someone in the plane have an extra rig? I forgot my rig, again!"

Sorry, had to throw that in, 'cause I've given my extra goggles and tandem passenger altimeter to jumpers so many times...


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