Oct 25, 2002, 11:58 AM
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When I walk to the plane
1. Check your handle 2. Check your alti 3. Check your handle 4. Emergency drills 5. Check your handle
Yup. I add the following.
a. Check around you for others' handles/straps b. Check again for others' handles/straps c. Check all mine about 47 million times d. Check others' handles and straps...
At the door, one last touch to all three, and smile and go....
Ciels- Michele
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Oct 25, 2002, 12:33 PM
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Yes, it happened. The videoflyer had a chest mounted recorder that looked a lot like a chest mounted reserve. In the mid 80's chest reseves were falling out of favor fast, but they were still there on older gear. The harness fitted like a skydiving harness. I've heard it a few different versions, but all the details are the same... impact with no rig.
Ask anyone with more then 1000 jumps how many times they've seen/had a mis routed chest strap. Gear checks are needed, but each jumper is responcible for their own gear.
Oct 25, 2002, 12:41 PM
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Thats what I like in the UK.
FLIGHT LINE CHECKS!
I jumped in the USA last year and found it a bit of a shock to have no flight line checks as mandatory, but if you are blessed with a bit of common sense you get other people to check your gear as well as yourself.
Safety at the end of the day is in your own hands.
Oct 25, 2002, 2:52 PM
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Thats what I like in the UK.
And thats one of the things I don't like. If you want a gear check then ask for one, I just don't like the fact that its mandatory. You said it yourself :
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Safety at the end of the day is in your own hands.
So why rely on others to check things you could/should check yourself? Too many people get lulled into a false sense of security by a gear check IMHO.
Will
PS I jump quite often with another Matt Robinson (freeflyer with about 400 jumps), bit of a co-incidence that.
Oct 25, 2002, 5:39 PM
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I've seen a camera flyer get in the plane with no rig, but someone pointed out his mistake before the plane moved. He was just learning camera flying and was trying out his new camera suit/helmet setup. He never lived that one down.
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Oct 25, 2002, 5:47 PM
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Oct 26, 2002, 12:13 PM
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I was told these photo's were fake. I heard he was wearing a harness under his jumpsuit and had a steel cable through his sleeve connected at the leg straps.
Anyone heard this/heard otherwise?? Either way they are excellent photos.
Oct 26, 2002, 1:36 PM
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Yep, it's true. If you get a chance to see the video watch really closely. They do a good job editing around it but you can still get a glimpse of the cable every now and then while he's under canopy. Even so, it's still some wild video!
Oct 26, 2002, 5:07 PM
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Janelin has an advertising poster (we have one at our DZ) it has a guy in a white jumpsuit doing the same thing, if you look closely at it you can see he outline of a webbing strap (or flat cable) running anlong his arm and attached to the container..
Regardless of the attachemnts,, it's an awsome picture and that guy has some BIG testicles.
Oct 27, 2002, 5:55 AM
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Back in the 1960s, Bill Cole did a few chuteless jumps. Cole wore a harness with chest rings. and his buddy handed him a chest-mounted reserve in freefall. The camera malfunctioned on the first jump, so they repeated the stunt. CSPA banned Mr. Cole for his second chuteless jump. A few other skydivers repeated the stunt. The last time it was documented in Andy Keech's book Skies Call 2 or 3?. Only this time, the hero clipped into a set of risers hanging off his buddy's leg straps.
Oct 27, 2002, 5:30 PM
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The story documented in The Endless Fall that was mentioned by someone else was the story of Bill Cole, not these pictures. Bill's was in 1972, and it was not faked. Mike Swain, who wrote the book, was the one who did the video on the jump. Great story!
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Oct 27, 2002, 6:03 PM
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I seem to remember this event, as a case where the camera flyer entered the plane, with his rig and camera equipment,,, and yet somehow managed to climb to altitude without ever actually donning the gear.... He was apparently seated up near the cockpit,, and so was one of the last to exit,,,,,,,, no one "downstream" of him, in the cabin, noticed... and he exited with the rig still sittin' in the plane..... makes you shake your head,,,, and wonder...... yet as this sport demonstrates to us on a regular basis,,,,anything is possible.....Gear check????? I would say SO!!!.... at least a couple of times on the way to altitude....For me.... my favorite skydive is the one that I am looking forward to making,,,,,,,,,,NEXT.....
Oct 28, 2002, 3:37 AM
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I've heard a few stories of such things happening to camera flyers. Apparently a dude did this at our DZ. He was just checking to see his alti was zero'd lots of times...scary shit... I'm told when he realised he retreated sheepishly back into the hanger As dangerous as it is..as long as you never made it on the plane your never gonna live that one down. Its coming out every 5 minutes i'm bettin...
Oct 28, 2002, 5:24 AM
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Here in Hungary, before you board the plane, usually you stand in a nice row and the jumpmaster (here it is called jumpcommander) checks your gear.
With my own eyes I saw -I was on the plane too- when a jumpcommander checked a gear of a jumper with ~13000 jumps (he holds the Hungarian record), and for the guy it was natural and did not say anything, did not try to stop because of his jumpnumber.
It is really strange when we jump sometimes there are whuffo passengers in the plane without rigs than come the jokes "I would not fly with this plane without a parachute etc. etc."
In US passangers are allowed to be on a jump plane?
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