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Brisco  (B 26372)

Oct 25, 2002, 6:39 AM
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Perhaps this isn't the correct forum for this - if so, I apologize.

A wuffo friend (a nurse) says that skydiving can cause retina detachment. I've seen many different injuries and other medical problems posted on these forums, but have never seen anything about this. Has this ever happened to anyone? I'm not talking about anything like this being caused by collisions or bad landings, but just from the act of skydiving and parachute deployment. I guess a REALLY hard opening might cause it. Any thoughts?


freefalle  (D 27777)

Oct 25, 2002, 6:43 AM
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Ive worked in the medical field for a LONG time and Ive never heard of that, sounds like a WUFFO wives tale to me!


Deuce  (D 25597)

Oct 25, 2002, 7:01 AM
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Retinas will detach when your head decelerates at huge G's. Remove your slider and don't stow your lines, get terminal and toss. Along with losing your shoes and the back injury, you might detach your retinas.


freebird  (A 38952)

Oct 25, 2002, 7:02 AM
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My hubby is an optometrist (Eye Doctor) and he said that some broken blood vessels from a hard opening is possible but those heal themselves. That nurse needs to do some more research.


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jlmiracle  (D License)

Oct 25, 2002, 8:17 AM
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I heard once - a long time ago - that if you already have detached retina then you should not skydive because you eyes could pop out.

I'm not really buying it.

judy


cliffharris  (D 25832)

Oct 25, 2002, 9:58 AM
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If memory serves, Joe Kittenger suffered detached retinas at one time...but not from jumping...from his days of testing ejection systems, specifically high speed ejections. the unaerodynamic blob that pops out of the cockpit isn't as aerodynamic as the the airfoil it's departing and tends to slow rapidly, possibly causing retinas to detach.


Michele  (B 26874)

Oct 25, 2002, 10:26 AM
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Having had one major and two minor surgeries on my eye in the last calendar year and likely needing one more in the next few months, I would say that my surgeon would have grounded me if there was any possibility of that, especially because my right eye is "fragile" as is the sinus where he drilled a bunch of holes...he kept me grounded for exactly 4 weeks after my major one in June, and his recommendation when I got back was "perhaps a full face helmet...but only if it doesn't bother you too much". I didn't go into a full face (can't afford it), and while I have crashed badly, nothing ever happened to the vision. Sore, yes. Achy, sure. Actual problems? Not a one.

Ciels-
Michele


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Oct 25, 2002, 10:29 AM
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In 25 years of skydiving, I have never heard of a detached retina.


NtheSeaOrSky  (Student)

Oct 25, 2002, 10:59 AM
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I had a REALLY hard opening, and was sure I detached my uterus.....but turns out it was still there and so were my retinas. Pirate


Brisco  (B 26372)

Oct 25, 2002, 11:26 AM
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Thanks all. It all sounded a little far-fetched to me too, but she's brought it up like three times now (according to her, "I've seen the damage") so I thought I'd ask. Seems I heard about detached retinas from bungee jumping - and that sorta makes some sense, but skydiving? Although if I don't soon get this landing thing figured out, some of these face first landings might cause me a problem!


CanEHdian  (B 4418)

Oct 25, 2002, 12:04 PM
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Well, this one time at the DZ, I did see this knockout babe walk by and my eyes did nearly pop out! Shocked

...sorry folks, couldn't help myself. Tongue

Cheers,
CanEHdian


tigra  (C 27417)

Oct 25, 2002, 4:24 PM
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Brisco,

Welcome to skydivingSmile! Every whuffo you come across who knows that you skydive (good friend, casual acquaintance, guy who sees your skydiving T shirt while in line at the grocery store and starts conversation, etc) will feel perfectly free to tell you some "true" horror story about something that happened (really, its true!) to someone who knows someone who knows someone else.....

The detached retina is unique- usually it is something like, "My next door neighbor's nephew's friend went skydiving and his 'chute didn't open...."!

By the way, plfs or a controlled butt slide are better than faceplants!Wink

maura


Squeak  (E 1313)

Oct 25, 2002, 4:51 PM
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Retinal detachment is much more previlant in Bungee Jumping, it is caused by the increased intraoccular presaure exserted when you go head down and then get dragged back up by your feet. All of the presure ibn your body is force towards your cranium and the internal presure in your eye is much higher, this can cause youre retina to come away from the internal wall of your eye.

Not a good thing, thats why I don't jump off of little 600 foot towers, 14000 feet is safer


sillyolethang  (A 42608)

Oct 25, 2002, 5:14 PM
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MY eyes will pop out if I get to see you this weekend at the DZ!Tongue Heehee


drenaline  (C License)

Oct 26, 2002, 5:03 PM
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By the way, plfs or a controlled butt slide are better than faceplants!
PLF only, or good soft stand ups. Butt landings can cause scoliosis (the spine instead of been straight like this |, gets curve like this /). Happened to me, the pain is big, and the drugs don't work that good and worst of all am grounded for 2 weeks (doctor's order).


jceman  (D 19212)

Oct 26, 2002, 8:08 PM
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By the way, plfs or a controlled butt slide are better than faceplants!
PLF only, or good soft stand ups. Butt landings can cause scoliosis (the spine instead of been straight like this |, gets curve like this /). Happened to me, the pain is big, and the drugs don't work that good and worst of all am grounded for 2 weeks (doctor's order).

There is a huge difference between butt landings and controlled butt slides. I have done both; broke my cocyx while on student status because of a butt landing and have done many a controlled butt slide since returning from my femur injury.

There are more than a couple places that land tandems in a controlled butt slide (I am not going to get into the debate of whether they should or not, just accept that they do) and they do not result in spinal injuries to the TMs.


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Oct 27, 2002, 5:42 AM
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There is huge difference between butt strikes and butt slides.
15 years ago I had a butt strike so hard that it herniated a disc in my lower spine. The pain almost drove me to suicide! Drugs were useless and the only things that got me back in the air were thousands of sit-ups and hundreds of stretching exercise to pull my spine back into alignment.
On the other hand, I have probably done a thousand tandem butt slide landings without further injury to my spine. The main reason for butt slide landings is that half the students experience "jelly knees." Even if the instructor has enough muscle to support all their weight, sooner or later he has to let them sit in the grass.
A secondary reason for doing butt slide landings is that modern tandem canopies generally arrive with plenty of excess forward speed. Since few students can run that fast, tandem instructors have an annoying habit of tripping over their students' feet. It is far simpler to tell the student to get their feet well out in front and plan for a butt slide landing.

Oh, the latest generation of tandem student harnesses deliberately hold the students' legs in a sitting position to make butt slide landings easier.


NewGuy  (B License)

Oct 29, 2002, 12:11 PM
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My ophthalmologist warned me that because I have severe myopia I should take care to avoid anything that involves high impact. Due to the retina being spread so thin it is possible to tear or detach it. So martial arts, skiing/snowboarding, and yes skydiving are not recommended. I've continued with such activities without incident, but have been very cautious (as far as you can be - you can't avoid getting knocked around some times.)

I suspect that anyone can detach a retina if they are hit hard enough (you might die from the trauma first). Realistically , I don't think skydiving imposes any greater risk for retinal detachment/tearing than normal activities for the average person. My impression is that people love to come up with reasons why one shouldn't partake in an activity such as skydiving.

I'd recommend that anyone who does have severe myopia mention to their ophthalmologist that they do take part in higher impact sports and see what they think. They probably won't understand the nature of skydiving so it would be good to have better examples of equivalent impact.

Cheers,
NewGuyCool


jraf  (F 111)

Oct 29, 2002, 3:33 PM
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I have over 500 bungee jumps and my retinas are still there. I had an instant canopy opening and they still are there. I think my liver is in the place of my spleen and vice versa after this oneWink


ChelseaFCfoLIFE

Jul 18, 2012, 3:05 PM
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Hi I Would like to ask a fee questions as I want to start skydiving frequently,
I ruptured my eyeball 2years back (choroidal rupture and subretinal hemorhage) and have blurred vision would skydiving and the pressure worsen my problem?
The reason I ask is , I went up on a plane as a PAX to get a feel and on decent it felt like my eye wanted to explode and I had blurry vision(more than normal) for 2 days . The pilot explained that the plane does not pressurise as quick as the body so that's why I had pain/discomfort, he also said if I skydive my body will pressurise quicker and I will not have pain/discomfort.
I went to my Opthamologist and he said my eye is fine and vision is improving. But he never gave me a CLEAR "YES" or "NO" to jump and feels I should take up another Sport but anything could affect my EYE. Please do Give feed back as I would like to Jump Soon. And my eye is getting better so I don't want to stop that.Pirate



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