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dharma1976  (D 28634)

Dec 1, 2006, 10:20 AM
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just a thought why dont we all post our hot swoop X-Rays....

hmmm maybe I can get ahold of my MRI Images as well...

Heh

Dave


jerm  (D 23994)

Dec 1, 2006, 10:29 AM
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10th month of jumping, jump 230, sabre 170, me brain-farting on an ABORTED swoop.
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trigger  (D 101390)

Dec 1, 2006, 10:59 AM
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Great idea...hope your thread goes along way to demonstrate the not so cool aspects of canopy piloting.Laugh


Premier SkymonkeyONE  (D 12501)

Dec 1, 2006, 2:14 PM
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That is actually a good idea. If more than a couple of people post their film to this thread I will make it sticky. Please put in all pertinant info so we can better learn what not to do.

Chuck

Done. It's sticky now. Once again, post your film, and describe exactly what you did to incur the injury. Also please try to put jump numbers and wingload.


(This post was edited by SkymonkeyONE on Dec 3, 2006, 8:54 AM)


bmoore21184  (B 27702)

Dec 2, 2006, 9:43 AM
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Here is mine. It was a result of turbulence collapsing 1/2 of my canopy, but all the TM's under canopy thought I was trying to pull off the world's lowest hook turn. So i figure it qualifies.
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Brains  (D License)

Dec 3, 2006, 6:57 AM
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This is a spiral fracture of the right tibia. I need to find the x-rays that have the rod and screws in it and scan them.

Downwind swoop across a farm pond, setup too close to the bank and didn't make it up the slope to get out.

Perfect example of, I have done this before and nothing happened.Wink
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dharma1976  (D 28634)

Dec 3, 2006, 7:00 PM
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okay here is my films

stats on it:
jump 260
What happened:
I thought I was special and didnt listen to all those with experience ...

WL 1.4ish on a pilot 150
Turn: 90degree
Lost alti awareness watchign traffic and realized too late caue my eye wasnt as superhuman as I thought it was...

I will post the ones of the current situation where screws are floating around and pins are broken...

:-P

Dave
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za_skydiver  (E License)

Dec 4, 2006, 12:17 PM
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In reply to:
Here is mine. It was a result of turbulence collapsing 1/2 of my canopy, but all the TM's under canopy thought I was trying to pull off the world's lowest hook turn. So i figure it qualifies.

I had something similar happen to me on 24 dec 1999 in Zhills. Coma for 2 and a half weeks (missed millenium :( ). Anyway, my xray of my femur looks just like Brian's...

Still believe my factory diver save my life. That and the nurse that happen to be jumping there that day...

Wish i could remember her name...


lauras  (D License)

Dec 4, 2006, 4:37 PM
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Her name is Ellen Jamett & she has saved a number of skydivers that have had accidents at Zhills. Ellen & Jim V (her husband) hung up their rigs a couple of years ago & have taken up sailing. We really miss having them around the dz...


za_skydiver  (E License)

Dec 5, 2006, 6:31 AM
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OMG! Thats her! Ellen is the name i was told. Can't remember if i met her after i woke up (my head was a bit "fuzzy"), but if anyone sees her tell her i say thanks!


voodew1  (D 25988)

Dec 12, 2006, 2:06 PM
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Kind of off topic but what ever happened to just setting the bone and putting a cast on it ---- now you break something you need surgery with pins screws and plates???????????


dharma1976  (D 28634)

Dec 12, 2006, 2:48 PM
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its called a bunch of greedy ass doctors...

I foregot to mention the $15000 price tag on my ankle

so that makes me the 0.015 million dollar man right now

Dave


Brains  (D License)

Dec 12, 2006, 5:26 PM
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In reply to:
Kind of off topic but what ever happened to just setting the bone and putting a cast on it ---- now you break something you need surgery with pins screws and plates???????????

I wondered the same thing when the ER doc said i needed to see a "specialist" and then he said i needed "surgery"Crazy


Premier ianmdrennan  (D 25821)
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Dec 12, 2006, 6:54 PM
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Actually along the lines of the original idea with the X-Rays, if people have the medical costs, and whether or not they had insurance, please post that with your x-rays.

Blues,
Ian


oosskis  (D 1012)

Dec 12, 2006, 10:20 PM
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No pictures available, but one squished vertebrae and lots of pain and bruising from dropping a toggle after doing the
-third jump of the season
-the first tandem camera jump of the season
-the first jump on my camera suit with swoop cords
-the third jump on my new Voodoo where the toggles were too small to put my whole hand in.
(Get the picture?)
Did a 180 and when I went to flare, toggle was gone (I wore gloves too)
The soft ground (3 1-foot deep holes for feet, hips, head and another set of holes 30 feet farther) and a PLF saved my life. Everyone thought I was dead. Got winded and an ambulance ride as a bonus (X-rays, MRI). God bless the social healthcare system in Canada.

Canopy: Crossfire 119

That was 1300 jumps ago and I still feel it every day.


Brains  (D License)

Dec 13, 2006, 10:59 AM
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In reply to:
Actually along the lines of the original idea with the X-Rays, if people have the medical costs, and whether or not they had insurance, please post that with your x-rays.

Blues,
Ian

I can't edit my post but i guess you have the power to throw this on the original if you want.

I did have insurance:
Emergency room bills $2800.00 (no ambulance ride)
Pre-Surgery bills $4182.00
Surgery bills $23,237.00
After care bills $690.00

Total cost to me: around $4000.00


za_skydiver  (E License)

Dec 13, 2006, 11:09 AM
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You saw me when i was still in hospital. Crazy

I didnt have any insurance (i was on holiday), and unless someone in the medical profession in the states can tell me how much 3 cat scans, emergency surgery on my femur with a titanium rod and 5 weeks in hospital (2 weeks intensive care) cost, i wouldnt have a clue how much i cost the USA government. The accident happened on 24 Dec 1999...

I apologize to the taxpayers, and i am sure ill get a earfull because of this...


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matthewcline  (D 21585)

Dec 13, 2006, 11:24 AM
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Its all good! Send me a case of beer for my share and we are cool!Wink

Matt


flydog  (D License)

Dec 13, 2006, 5:17 PM
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Working on x-rays, But compound both femurs, open book fracture of pelvis and broken hip socket.

No insurance, but medicaid stepped up. Cost was just over $360,000.00. Partial breakdown is as follows.

$19,600 for two lifenet helicopter rides.
$16,000 for first Emergency room.
$25,000 for orthopedic surgeon. (only 4 in my state can fix an open book fracture of the pelvis, he can charge what he wants.).
$6,800 per day for 28 days in ICU.
Plus the other involved surgeons, 10 days in rehab hospital, followup surgeries, buying a wheelchair, and on and on.

Again thank God for medicaid.

I am so lucky that I don't have to spend the rest of my life paying for this. Also that I have a rest of my life to spend.


Premier ianmdrennan  (D 25821)
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Dec 13, 2006, 6:41 PM
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Mind if I ask what happened?

Those are some serious medical bills!

Blues,
Ian


flydog  (D License)

Dec 13, 2006, 8:35 PM
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Swoop gone wrong. 270 downwind, got in the corner slipped or missed on one of my rears. Split second hesitation was all it took from there.

This is what a friend who watched told me. I have no real memory of that day due to the paralitics (sp) the flight crew gave me before transport.


wildcard451  (D License)

Dec 13, 2006, 9:25 PM
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In reply to:
its called a bunch of greedy ass doctors...

I foregot to mention the $15000 price tag on my ankle

so that makes me the 0.015 million dollar man right now

Dave

Welcome to a cornered market. I am sure you can go down to the corner hardware store and get Bob behind the counter to fix it up for you good as new.

If you don't wanna pay for it, don't swoop.

Adding the medical bills in here was a great touch. Some people really are out of touch with reality as to consequences of what they are getting themselves into.


freeflyn  (D License)

Dec 13, 2006, 11:04 PM
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After completing a superman I got my legs underneath my torso and planted my left foot on the ground. My foot placement was less then optimal to say the least as I placed it in a sprinkler indentation.

The end result was a spiral fracture of the fibula, a bimaleolar fracture of the tibia, and a torn piece of cartilage/ bone from on the talus at the tibia/talus junction. Resulting in 7 screws and a plate in the posterior fibula, a vertical screw in the tibia to reconnect the medial malleolus, and a glucose pin in the talus. Total surgery time = 4hrs

I spent 6 weeks post-op in a non-weight bearing cast, I was suppose to be in a boot for month (lasted about a week). I am currently attending PT 3 times a week.

Lesson learned: Examine your landing on a regular bases, know where all the potential landing hazards are no mater how small.

Date; Oct 2K6
Location: Perris
Wing: Velocity 84
WL: 2.2 lbs/ft^2
Turn: 450
Altitude ~1K
1000+ jumps on that canopy

Expenses:
Ambulance, 7mg of morphine, 3X-Rays in emergency, 2 shots of dilaten = $2000
Surgery = ?
post-op care =?

Cost me $35.00


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dharma1976  (D 28634)

Dec 14, 2006, 5:41 AM
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I am all for fair prices...

but there is so much unneccesairy bullshit that goes on in the medical world these days

like the guy that walks into room and says oh you need an orthopedist gets 600 bucks? How does that make sense

a box of tissues costs how much man???

yet the will call them mucus removal devices as tissues cant be charged for...

and one more thing 3000 dollars for 20 minutes of your time is a bit extreme.

Its not the doctors that I dispise its the system that they are a part of

Dave


BMFin

Dec 14, 2006, 6:22 AM
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In reply to:

and one more thing 3000 dollars for 20 minutes of your time is a bit extreme.

I second that.. ( goes a little offtopic)

In Finland, the cost of health care is much much lower, allthough the general price level may be a bit higher..

In the states the amount used in health care is 14% of the GNP (finland 7%) and even then it is distributed extremely unevenly. 44 million people are lacking healthcare insurance program in the US.

The biggest reason for these differences is that here health care is based on national healthcare insurance.

Back to the topic:

So heres mine.

I broke my left femur. Jump 220 I was doing a 90 and flared a little late.. Crazy Was my 3rd jump of the season.. not very current.

Im sure I had the syndroma of invunerability.
These things will teach you..

It is a very good idea to have this thread as a reminder. Allthough the general attitude towards injuries in this sport is very different from let say snowboarding or downhill biking. There injuries are delt with as a part of the sport and the attitude towards a person who is injured is different. In swooping injuries are delt somewoth differently..


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