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freefalle  (D 27777)

Jul 2, 2006, 9:27 AM
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Just posing a question that was asked to me, curious to get the input of others. Why would you allow this practice? or why not?


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BIGUN  (D 23385)

Jul 2, 2006, 10:48 AM
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That would go in the "No" column.


FreeflyGoat  (D 26046)

Jul 2, 2006, 5:21 PM
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No, I dont need a camera flyer f'ing up my exit. Once I have a drouge out and have done my handle checks I have alowed a camera flyer (and TI) whom I trust to dock on my students hands but not on their harness.


aironscott

Jul 2, 2006, 6:24 PM
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Depends on the camera person.

There are a few out there that I've worked with that I enjoy doing some fun stuff with. You know who you are (Pope, Roland, Ash, Hoyt, Willspeed, etc.)Anybody but Strauss....
But for the most part I'd rather keep it simple and just do it by the numbers. I get more scared the first few times I jump with an unfamiliar camera man than I ever do jumping with a student.
If it makes you uncomfortable on any level, just say no. When you are feeling stress, the students feel it as well.

Aaron


AggieDave  (D License)

Jul 2, 2006, 6:36 PM
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Depends on the camera person.

I still say no. A visiting jumper came through a while back, who is HIGHLY experienced as a flier and video guy. I'm not going to mention his name, but its a name you would all know. He briefed me the TI on how the tandem jump was going to go (instead of me briefing him), but with his personality, that's how it was going to be. I smiled and let it slide.

He was all over me, my student and under us holding on to straps and such during the exit, the jump, all the way till I waved off.

What happened? Well, he knocked my right lateral from the student's harness to my harness loose. Some of the rest of the student harness was knocked around as well.

When we got down I asked my student "how was the jump?" Instead of getting the typical "man, that was great, it was scary when we exited, but man it was really great one we were out of the door, etc" I got the answer "man, that camera guy was all over us..."

That day reminded me that I should stick by what I know is right and what I know is safe. That also told me to go ahead and stand my ground when it comes to my students, even if I've got some 10,000+ jumper telling me "it'll be ok, I do it this way all the time."

The obvious safety aspects aside, that was all about showing off for the video and the student. The video was too busy and looked like crap. I really felt sorry for the video that student paid for and recieved.Unsure


Peej  (B 2456)

Jul 3, 2006, 12:02 AM
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Here's an answer from a relatively new video guy's perspective: i wouldn't want to take a grip on the harness. I can keep the pair in frame and relativey close right through the exit, i don't feel the need to touch them.


billeisele  (A 5643)

Jul 3, 2006, 5:02 AM
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No.

You might suggest that if he needs assistance maintaining proximity on exit you would be happy to grip his chest strap.


divnswoop  (D 18276)

Jul 3, 2006, 10:00 AM
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No.

You might suggest that if he needs assistance maintaining proximity on exit............

.....that he go get more skydives before he films tandems.


(This post was edited by divnswoop on Jul 3, 2006, 10:31 AM)


crutch  (D 10182)

Jul 3, 2006, 5:58 PM
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not at our dz....ever!

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bluskidave  (D 23569)

Jul 3, 2006, 8:00 PM
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NO!


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Jul 3, 2006, 11:04 PM
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That would go in the "No" column.


freefalle  (D 27777)

Jul 4, 2006, 3:55 PM
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exactly the answers i hoped to get. at least we can all agree about one thing Wink


jdthomas  (D License)

Jul 4, 2006, 7:05 PM
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 NO! no one goes under or above the tandem.... Don't let anyone grab you at any point, there is no reason fr it and the video is not going to be any cooler if someone does!
Joe


skydiverton  (D 123456789)

Jul 5, 2006, 7:15 AM
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NO


darnknit  (D 12852)

Jul 5, 2006, 8:04 AM
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Why would you allow this practice? or why not?

from the aspect of safety, it is a bad idea. you could do it a million times without a problem, but if something goes wrong, it will go horribly wrong.

from the aspect of liability, it is professional suicide. in any lawsuit involving such behavior, the "deep pockets" will throw you under a bus.

seems like alot of risk(death, dismemberment, end of a career) for not much reward(garaunteed tight shot on exit).


rehmwa  (D 12816)

Jul 5, 2006, 8:16 AM
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You might suggest that if he needs assistance maintaining proximity on exit............
.....that he go get more skydives before he films tandems.

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flipper  (D 11524)

Jul 5, 2006, 10:50 AM
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lug  (D License)

Jul 5, 2006, 12:06 PM
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No.


Shyandinnocent  (D License)

Jul 7, 2006, 4:36 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
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You might suggest that if he needs assistance maintaining proximity on exit............
.....that he go get more skydives before he films tandems.

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*laugh* and nodding in agreement...
Not a TM but a camera person, and from the safety point of view, don't wabnt your student freakin out and holding on to any part of my gear (cutaway/reserve handles). HHow would I assplain that away to my CI?


Premier SkymonkeyONE  (D 12501)

Jul 10, 2006, 8:15 AM
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Lot's of "no's" here, but I say "yes." I am not concerned about getting zoo'ed on exit by any of the guys that I allow to exit in this manner. On the contrary, I have even used it as a tool to get better exit shots from some video guys who simply lacked the timing to get a decent first half of the skydive. Criticize if you like, but hey, I am comfortable with it. The "in your face" exit shots you can get with it are fantastic.

Chuck


GreenMachine  (D 26585)

Jul 10, 2006, 10:41 AM
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I guess it all comes down to skill and comfort level...I am a moderately experienced camera flyer and a newer tandem master.

I have left docked on a TM's hand, never a chest strap, but as a camera flyer I would have no problems doing it, however as a newer tandem master I would never let anyone grab me on exit when carrying a passenger. My opinion might change with experience and skill but that is my 2 cents for now.

One last thing, I very much agree that the face shot in the door right before exit and right on the "GO" count are priceless!!! For many it is a total 'come to Jesus' moment and the faces they make are great.

When I fly camera I always try to get that shot, my technique is to squat down on the step outside, use both hands on the door to hang out, and put my face in front of the passenger's face. With my .5 diamond I get a good shot, I can see the TM's count, and on the launch on just ease off on my back and get a nice fall away shot with the plane in the background.


(This post was edited by GreenMachine on Jul 10, 2006, 10:46 AM)


kwmontreal  (D 25906)

Jul 10, 2006, 11:00 AM
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Not in this life time!


NelKel  (D 25024)

Jul 11, 2006, 5:39 PM
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Really depends on the situation. I would allow a jumper I know who has experience videoing tandems, to take a gripped exit on my students chest strap, IF I had confidence of its success, and we both knew, and understood the diveflow. Also with the passenger in agreement. Anyway YMMVSmile


NelKel  (D 25024)

Jul 11, 2006, 5:40 PM
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Fast  (D 28237)

Jul 12, 2006, 12:07 PM
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It really isn't neccesary to take good pictures / get good video.

Like others have said, if the person needs to hold on they need to learn more before shooting tandem video.
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