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stillalive  (D License)

May 17, 2006, 11:41 AM
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Im looking to do some tunnel time, does any body know of a wind tunnel in the San Antonio--Austin area?

Found in Dallas, but a bit too far.

Thanks !


Premier PhreeZone  (D License)
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May 17, 2006, 12:17 PM
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There are none in TX anymore. The rumors have been going around for ages about putting one in but nothing is built yet.


stillalive  (D License)

May 17, 2006, 4:26 PM
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Bummer!
Thats Mad

I have been browsing, and found "Adrena-L in" in houston, but their web page is very unclear... (?)


mattjw916  (D License)

May 17, 2006, 6:52 PM
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Buy yourself a ticket to Colorado and get some!!! Cool


Paige

May 17, 2006, 8:16 PM
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Buy a ticket to Phoenix and fly the Eloy tunnel. It's the shit. The largest tunnel in the US, fast, fast, fast air, great staff, amazing times to be had.


stillalive  (D License)

May 18, 2006, 6:59 AM
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Do plan to go to Eloy sometime this year,,,

Just wanted to find a tunnel near me to drop by any weekend.

Thanks !!


mattjw916  (D License)

May 18, 2006, 10:42 AM
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If you don't mind the dirt, heat, and static shocks lol...

SVCO is a better "summer tunnel" and it's cheaper and faster too.


rehmwa  (D 12816)

May 18, 2006, 12:19 PM
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"nyaa nyaa nyaa nyaa nya, my tunnel is better than your tunnel nyaa nyaa nyaa nyaa nya"

Is there any chance we can leave these kinds of post to the (you know who you've been)?


(This post was edited by rehmwa on May 18, 2006, 12:21 PM)


mattjw916  (D License)

May 18, 2006, 1:18 PM
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Well perhaps the information is important to the people that _haven't_ flown in all the various tunnels... ya think? If you aren't interested, don't participate in the discussion.

A discussion forum without people _discussing_ things is pretty worthless. Crazy


rehmwa  (D 12816)

May 18, 2006, 1:56 PM
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Tongue


JohnRich  (D License)

May 19, 2006, 11:39 AM
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found "Adrena-L in" in houston, but their web page is very unclear... (?)

That is a traveling wind tunnel on the back of a truck, and is not up to the standards of the fixed tunnels for serious skydiving training. It's fun to play in, though. It changes locations every now and then. You would probably have to call them to find out where they are now operating.


Paige

May 19, 2006, 2:29 PM
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If you don't mind the dirt, heat, and static shocks lol...

SVCO is a better "summer tunnel" and it's cheaper and faster too.

To you SVCO is a better "summer" tunnel and it's great that we have a forum where everyone can express their opinions Smile.

In the summer I'd rather have the natural light and not a recirculator (Lack of natural light doesn't make for good photos, nor does SVO- ugh it looks like it's 6 ft underground Crazy).

I'm just glad we all have choices now, regardless of tunnel location. EVERY tunnel has positives and negatives. Without the negatives we'd never improve on the product. Just like without Flyaway's there would be no SV.

I'm excited to see how NH will improve on CO- I get to visit in August after they open.


stillalive  (D License)

May 19, 2006, 3:48 PM
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Thanks for the info John !

We should do some fund raising to build something decent in Central Texas,,,Laugh

I know Id $ pitch in.


IMGR2  (D 21089)

May 20, 2006, 2:15 PM
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Talked to one of the Adrenalin partners the other day.
The engine blew a while back and the tunnel has just been sitting.
At the moment they are in the process of shipping it to the new prospective owners in Hawaii.


JohnRich  (D License)

May 23, 2006, 11:29 AM
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Thanks for the info John! We should do some fund raising to build something decent in Central Texas,,,Laugh I know Id $ pitch in.

Well, if you need funds, I'm am definitely not a good candidate for investment! Wink


Paige

May 23, 2006, 11:32 AM
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Shhhhhhh...did you hear that?!?!?!

<whisper>if you build it they will come</whisper>

LaughWinkTongue


stillalive  (D License)

May 23, 2006, 3:22 PM
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Cool $$$ Laugh


countzero  (D 32712)

May 28, 2006, 4:19 PM
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there is zerogroom.com. it's supposed to be built near the space center area- south of downtown houston. thier site used to say coming spring of 06'. now it just says coming soon.

being a delivery driver i occasionally pass by where it's to be built. as of last week the space it's supposed to go is still an empty field.

i've got aways to go before i get my A, but hopefully they'll be open by the time i start learning to freefly.


AggieDave  (D License)

May 28, 2006, 6:47 PM
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there is zerogroom.com. it's supposed to be built near the space center area- south of downtown houston. thier site used to say coming spring of 06'. now it just says coming soon.

They've been talking about that for atleast 2 years.

Same with another tunnel in the H-town area (a L-1 tunnel), lots of talk no results.

Basically it comes down to some folks trying to get funding together, but before they have even 1/8th of the funding together they've announced the project to the skydiving community as a fact. Not announced as a business opportunity, but as a fact.

Strangely enough there used to be a push tunnel in College Station. The location is still there and the last time I popped in back there they still had the pieces back there. Too bad it was expensive, the college students fickle and the city anti-noise.

If someone was smart they'd build a tunnel in Arlington right off of 360 and I-30 or 180. The words "cash cow" comes to mind with that thought.


justinb138  (B 28762)

May 30, 2006, 8:30 AM
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If someone was smart they'd build a tunnel in Arlington right off of 360 and I-30 or 180. The words "cash cow" comes to mind with that thought.

Right next to Six Flags?


AggieDave  (D License)

May 30, 2006, 8:39 PM
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Right next to Six Flags?

Yup and Wet-n-Wild (or whatever its called now days) and the BallPark and where their building the new Cowboy's stadium and next to the convention center and a large number of the motels in the area and close enough to the airport it won't cost you the same as a downpayment on a new car for cab fare.

Like I said, if someone was smart...(or if I had that kind of money or friends with money)


justinb138  (B 28762)

May 31, 2006, 10:43 AM
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Not to mention the DZ's within driving distance.

Dallas, Eagle Flight, Cowtown, Gladewater, Caddo, San Marcos, Aggieland, Houston, Spaceland, Temple, and a few others up in OK.


Douva  (D 22772)

May 31, 2006, 4:50 PM
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If someone was smart they'd build a tunnel in Arlington right off of 360 and I-30 or 180. The words "cash cow" comes to mind with that thought.

That's probably easier said than done. I foresee some serious real estate hurdles to putting in a wind tunnel. Unless you're doing a recirculating tunnel, there are the obvious noise ordinance issues. Beyond that, I'm guessing that a lot of these groups trying to raise the capital to build wind tunnels will have trouble getting ground leases because the wind tunnel franchise business model doesn't have a long enough track record of success. Most land owners are going to be skeptical of the idea of indoor skydiving, to say the least, and they probably aren't going to be terribly thrilled at the prospect of having a building on their property that can't be utilized for any other purpose if the business owners default on the lease. If you do a ground lease for a restaurant and the business owners default, you simply lease the building to another restaurant. If you do a ground lease for a wind tunnel and the business owners default, you have to find somebody willing to tear down the wind tunnel in exchange for the leftover parts and scrap metal. What this means to the prospective wind tunnel owners is that they're probably going to have to purchase their land, and not only is that a significant up-front cost; it also limits the number of locations available to them. A significant increase in up-front costs means an increase in the amount of the initial loan, which means higher loan payments, which means they have to charge higher prices for tunnel time, in order to compensate for their higher overall operating costs, which means they get fewer customers. Supply and demand is kicking their asses before they're even open for business.


AggieDave  (D License)

May 31, 2006, 8:26 PM
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That's probably easier said than done

All it takes is money.

I have the want, the need and the dream. Just no $$ and no desire to go bust my ass to raise the serious $$ it would take.

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there are the obvious noise ordinance issues.

Haven't spent much time around that area have you? There's this little thing called the DFW Airport that has an assload of flights flying over this area (its in the landing pattern for a couple of the runways) every few minutes of every hour of every day. Honestly, I don't think a lot of people would seriously notice the noise of the tunnel. Especially if its built in the right spot that its over on the Six Flags/Ball Park side of the highways.


Douva  (D 22772)

May 31, 2006, 9:42 PM
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That's probably easier said than done

All it takes is money.

I have the want, the need and the dream. Just no $$ and no desire to go bust my ass to raise the serious $$ it would take.

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there are the obvious noise ordinance issues.

Haven't spent much time around that area have you? There's this little thing called the DFW Airport that has an assload of flights flying over this area (its in the landing pattern for a couple of the runways) every few minutes of every hour of every day. Honestly, I don't think a lot of people would seriously notice the noise of the tunnel. Especially if its built in the right spot that its over on the Six Flags/Ball Park side of the highways.

If I recall correctly, that whole area is pretty industrial, except for the entertainment venues, so noise ordinances probably wouldn't be an issue there. I was speaking in generalities about the problems these prospective entrepreneurs face.


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