Feb 5, 2006, 11:25 AM
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RSL REMOVED FROM JAVELIN H/C BY RIGGERS
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The Javelin h/c is mfg. with an RSL system as a standart item on the rig.
The order form does not let you to choose Yes RSL or No RSL like with RI, RWS or Mirage & other h/c.
Sun Path does not approve the removing of the RSL from the rig.
I saw Javelins that the rigger removed the lanyard & I saw also that a rigger cut the 2 rings on the reserve container top flap which guided the reserve ripcord cable & the RSL ringe end.
The RSL is a SAFETY BACKUP system which might save the owner's life on the next jump.
I would like to here from you Riggers.
Safe Rigging !!!
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Feb 5, 2006, 11:33 AM
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Shlomo, I think the rsl is an "option" whether Sunpath give you the option or not on th eorder form, it is an "optional extra" - removing it is the Jumper's discretion I think (though I've been wrong before)
Feb 5, 2006, 11:55 AM
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Re: [airtwardo] RSL REMOVED FROM JAVELIN H/C BY RIGGERS
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CRW is a different story & the RSL can be released at the shackle side.
You can see rigs that are not involved in CRW & riggers removed the RSL lanyard.
Yes, the simple RSL can save the owner life on the next jump!!!
I'll not move into the subject if the RSL is good or not, I would like to point the fact that riggers goes wrong by removing the RSL from the "Javelin"
Feb 5, 2006, 12:21 PM
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Hey Hook...what's the 'law' regarding someone other than a master rigger altering the configuration?
Grey area. You could argue that if Sun Path does not explicitly state that it can be removed, then it can't be removed. IF you agree with that argument, then you should also agree that you cannot pack any other reserve into a Vector II than a Safety Flyer. This is where common sense should step in and the rigger should realize that a) It is up to the jumper to decide if they want an RSL or not, and 2) a jumper is safer with a PD-R reserve in their Vector II than they are with a Safety Flyer.
You could argue that since Sun Path gives instructions how to disconnect the RSL and it is the industry standard to remove it if the jumper does not want it, then you can legally remove it. It doesn’t hurt anything to remove it and cover the hook Velcro on the reserve riser with loop Velcro.
All riggers should realize that the FAA does not really care unless you are doing something outside the ‘norm’ anyway. They will probably step in and take action if you are doing something clearly un-safe or outside the ‘norm’ regardless of what the FAR’s say.
I had a conversation with the FAA about 6 months ago concerning altering mains. The Inspector’s viewpoint was 1) it is perfectly legal for a Senior Rigger to alter a main canopy (along with the person jumping it next, etc) and 2) He would take action if anyone was altering a main in an un-safe manner. His example was cutting a canopy in half, sewing it back together and giving it to someone with 20 jumps to go make a jump with.
In short, a rigger can not install/remove an RSL from a Javelin without fear of the FAA.
Feb 5, 2006, 1:34 PM
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I'll have to ask Sun Path for publishing the letter here.
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SPI published a letter that says that the RSL is a part of the tested rig & should not be removed from the rig.
Here you said they already published the letter. Where would one go to get a copy of this letter? If you are the only one that received a copy I don't think SP would mind if you post it for others to see.
As was mentioned before, "should" does not mean "must". I think this may be another case of your personal interpretation of the wording and not that of the FAA.
Sparky
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Feb 5, 2006, 1:35 PM
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Call or mail Sun Path & ask.
Please let us know.
I quoted your post before you deleted it where you said Sun Path only recommended the RSL. I am not going to contact Sun Path because I'm not worries about it. Clearly, you are worried about it. So far, from your poll, you are the only one. If you will not remove the RSL or pack a Javelin with it removed, that is your call.
You really should realize that your thoughts on rigging are exactly that, your thoughts. You don't sound like an un-safe rigger, but that doesn't mean that another rigger that does things differently is un-safe either.
Derek
(This post was edited by Hooknswoop on Feb 5, 2006, 1:42 PM)
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