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Grabbing the BOC pouch with the hackey

 


ACMESkydiver  (B License)

Sep 27, 2005, 3:57 PM
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-Not good. Unimpressed




That is all.




Odd, but on my second or third jump on Sunday, I grabbed my BOC pouch WITH the hackey when I went to toss. I had a firm grip and felt it stretch, and it took an extra second and a half to release my grip enough to let the pouch slide out of my hand without the hackey going with it. It wasn't fun. It wasn't happy.

All else was groovy on that jump, but that kinda had me wonder how many times people do that?


gemini  (D 24349)

Sep 27, 2005, 6:08 PM
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Jumpers who usually don't wear gloves on a jump can have this problem when they do wear them. They can't feel the BOC pouch in their hand.


Premier GravityGirl  (D 18897)

Sep 27, 2005, 6:10 PM
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Where you wearing gloves?

If not. Consider slowing down and actually feeling what you are doing. Pull time is a time when your stress level goes up. Take the time to breath and make smooth and deliberate movements.

When I haven't jumped in a while, I like to regulate my breathing just prior to exit and again in my track and waive off.

The more you can control your heart rate, the more effective your movements.


ACMESkydiver  (B License)

Sep 27, 2005, 6:20 PM
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I was wearing gloves. Unfortunately here in the NW, it's a must this time of year on. Unsure


Martini  (D 23756)

Sep 27, 2005, 6:21 PM
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Well Jaye, we could try sewing a softball-sized whiffle ball on yer pc, that oughta cure it! Seriously I haven't heard of that problem but can easily imagine how it could set up; like a loose boc mouth coupled with a deeply stowed pc pulling the hackey in tight, especially if the hackey is small.. It might be worth having Todd take a look.


ACMESkydiver  (B License)

Sep 27, 2005, 6:24 PM
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The weird part about it was my strong grip - I was worried about the hackey slipping out from my hand. The second I felt the elastic-like resistance, I knew I had caught the BOC with my thumb, but the hardest part was telling myself to 'let GO' and then grab the hackey again. It really was a struggle to open my hand as pull time was sliding by...Unimpressed


ACMESkydiver  (B License)

Sep 27, 2005, 6:27 PM
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Well Jaye, we could try sewing a softball-sized whiffle ball on yer pc, that oughta cure it! Seriously I haven't heard of that problem but can easily imagine how it could set up; like a loose boc mouth coupled with a deeply stowed pc pulling the hackey in tight, especially if the hackey is small.. It might be worth having Todd take a look.

-or I could just not hook my thumb in the boc with a death-grip with the hackey like a dumb-ass next time... Tongue

If it happens again I'll have Todd take a look. I think it was just my over-anxious grabbing. I hadn't been in the air in 6 months. Wink


Premier GravityGirl  (D 18897)

Sep 27, 2005, 8:04 PM
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That's why it's important to get your heart rate down at pull time. It's the moment of truth. An anxious moment.

When I teach skydiving I don't focus as much on the technical details as I do teaching how to relax under pressure. The moves are simple. It's the relaxing part we all need to learn to master.

Use the waive off to take a deep breath and practice crossing your arms smoothly, then the next step will fall into place nicely too.

I know all too well about taking time off and returning. Even with 2300 jumps, I get first jump jitters after some time off. I really focus on breathing and taking things one step at a time.

Review everything on the ground, right down to emergency proceedures. Then once you are in the plane think only of the next step.

Glad to see you're back in the air. Do your best to stay current. It makes all the difference in the world.


Martini  (D 23756)

Sep 27, 2005, 9:25 PM
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-or I could just not hook my thumb in the boc with a death-grip with the hackey like a dumb-ass next time... Tongue

If it happens again I'll have Todd take a look. I think it was just my over-anxious grabbing. I hadn't been in the air in 6 months. Wink

Glad you kept it together anyway. For some reason this reminds me of sticking my hand into my S-3 wing at pull time. Definitely an attention getter. Makes throwing the pc a more conscious act for a few jumps too.


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Sep 28, 2005, 7:50 AM
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Sounds like the mouth of your BOC pouch is baggy, maybe? Don't be afraid, either, to let go and re-grab. The pilot chute is going to either be right at the mouth of that pouch, or over your head, pulling out the bag. It's all buttah.Cool


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Sep 28, 2005, 10:39 AM
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Reminds me of jumping first-generation Strong tandems. Their drogue handles were similar to soft cutaway handles, difficult to distinguish from BOC fabric while wearing winter gloves.
.. so I got into the habit of sliding my thumb down the side of the container and under the drogue handle. Then I closed my fingers aorund the handle and pulled it.


ACMESkydiver  (B License)

Sep 28, 2005, 11:01 AM
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Don't be afraid, either, to let go and re-grab.

That was the toughest part!! I'll relax if it ever happens again and know it'll still be right there.


pierre3636  (B 2466)

Sep 29, 2005, 5:06 AM
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very interesting ! don't worry the exact same thing happened to me past Sunday BUT i was in a wing suit! i was lucky in the sense that I started my deployment sequence a little higher than usual - 4k.
I waved of from the 2 way, closed my leg wings and reached for my puff so to pitch. I did grab the puff but also a corner of my spandex and as I pulled and released nothing happened and only half my PC was released, not a good place 2 be! Props to GRAVITY GIRL she is right about relaxing in those situations, I took a deep breath and started feeling around until I could get a hand on the piece of PC that was flapping behind me. I did start spiralling towards the ground though cause my body position was off. All and all I was open at 1.7k - taught myself a big lesson about thinking fast but being totally relaxed AND most important I'm taking off the puff and replacing it with something more solid like a PVC pipe or practice golf ball.


rushmc  (D License)

Sep 30, 2005, 6:36 AM
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I had that happen on my last jump! Blush I do not have a hackey but 1/2' plastic coupler. I wear glove on every jump so I knew what was going on right away. Took no time to adjust but the feeling was a little disconcerting Shocked

Glad you handled it OK



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