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Poll: What would you have done?
ground me for today 52 / 30%
ground me for 2 weeks 21 / 12%
give me a talking to after turning it on and letting me jump 82 / 47%
totaly understanding and turning it on and letting me jump. 8 / 5%
lets see what the dzo says 12 / 7%
175 total votes
 
packing_jarrett  (D License)

Aug 15, 2005, 3:16 PM
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Lets say you were a dad of a kid who was about ready to get on the airplane.
"hey son did you get a gear check?" you say.
"nope not yet" your son says. you come over and give him a gear check and ask him if his cypress is on. he says it is. Now the dad that you are has to double check. its a racer so you take off the rig to see and you find out that its off. what would you do?


wmw999  (D 6296)

Aug 15, 2005, 3:20 PM
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If it were my son, I'd call him a dumbass. Suggest that he spend some time on equipment checks and basic survival skills, because his judgement was clearly lacking.

Jumping without an AAD isn't a big deal to me (although it's a requirement for students now). Lying about a gear check to be able to get on the plane does show willingness to compromise safety.

You didn't ask for it sugar-coated, did you?

Wendy Wy.


airtwardo  (D License)

Aug 15, 2005, 3:42 PM
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I have to say ground you for the day....

You Bullshitted him about the gear check, either that or you don't know HOW to do one...either way if you were MY kid...you would be done for the day...

AND...have to go home and cut the grass!WinkTongue


packing_jarrett  (D License)

Aug 15, 2005, 3:53 PM
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no you see I didn't get a gear check thats when my dad came over and gave me one. I didn't bullshit anyone. I thought I had turned it on and was getting a gear check when we found out it wasn't on.

and atleast at my dz you don't ground someone for forgetting something cause thats what gear checks are for. Is it not?


kelpdiver  (B 7)

Aug 15, 2005, 3:59 PM
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hmm...I misread that too, thinking you had said you were good to go.

Still, playing the dad role, would have grounded you for the day perhaps instead of the 2 weeks I listed.

Yes, gear checks are to catch mistakes, but punishment is there to encourage you not to make them. Whether you believe in AADs or not, I can't think of anything lamer than dying with a non activated AAD in the rig.

Will check tomorrow to see which punishment you got - I'm guessing the two weeks since you posted this.


tdog  (D 28800)

Aug 15, 2005, 4:29 PM
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so why did you think it was on???


pilotdave  (D License)

Aug 15, 2005, 4:54 PM
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Forgetting to turn on a cypres isn't the end of the world. But not checking your reserve pin, etc is a big deal. I don't know that you missed that part of your gear check (which I assume you did before putting the rig on), but it's a good sign that you didn't open the reserve flap (I assume that's where the cypres is on a racer).

If you were grounded, it wasn't for forgetting the cypres. It was for trying to get on a plane without having checked your gear properly. Bet you learned your lesson!

Dave


(This post was edited by pilotdave on Aug 15, 2005, 4:54 PM)


Premier skybytch  (D License)

Aug 15, 2005, 6:15 PM
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I'd assume that if my son is old enough/mature enough to skydive then he's old enough/mature enough to make his own decisions about turning on his AAD or not.


kelpdiver  (B 7)

Aug 15, 2005, 6:18 PM
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but he didn't make a decision to not turn it on.


BIGUN  (D 23385)

Aug 15, 2005, 6:23 PM
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There's no option for making my son do push-ups. Lots and lots of push-ups.


Premier skybytch  (D License)

Aug 15, 2005, 6:39 PM
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In reply to:
but he didn't make a decision to not turn it on.

Sorry. Missed that.

In that case, I'd have someone give him some remedial AAD-turning-on instruction, just as I would for any jumper who thought they'd turned it on but didn't.


packing_jarrett  (D License)

Aug 15, 2005, 7:53 PM
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Ok here I go into a little more detail. When I usually get to the dz the first thing I do is get everything ready so when I do get on a load I'm ready to go. Me and my dad are driving to the airport and I'm thinking I better get my stuff together and that includes turning on the cypress so I can get on an early load. What do you know my helmet comes in and its a huge distraction. not even thinking about it I getting on the board. the reason I said I think its on is because I do the routine so often its like a reaction to saying its on.


pilotdave  (D License)

Aug 15, 2005, 7:58 PM
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Complacency kills...

I guess you're a packer, right? If someone asked "did you cock my pilot chute," would you think about the answer or just say yes because you always cock the pilot chute?

So what was the result? Were ya grounded?

Dave


(This post was edited by pilotdave on Aug 15, 2005, 8:00 PM)


sundevil777  (D License)

Aug 15, 2005, 8:07 PM
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In reply to:
Me and my dad are driving to the airport and I'm thinking I better get my stuff together and that includes turning on the cypress so I can get on an early load.

Please tell me you did not mean turning it on while driving to the DZ. Even if you live in the flatlands of Kansas it is just a bad idea.


Feeblemind  (D 28621)

Aug 15, 2005, 8:09 PM
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In reply to:
If it were my son, I'd call him a dumbass. Suggest that he spend some time on equipment checks and basic survival skills, because his judgement was clearly lacking.

Jumping without an AAD isn't a big deal to me (although it's a requirement for students now). Lying about a gear check to be able to get on the plane does show willingness to compromise safety.

You didn't ask for it sugar-coated, did you?

Wendy Wy.

You forgot the part......

I love you son!! right before you slap him upside the head!!


packing_jarrett  (D License)

Aug 15, 2005, 8:13 PM
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no dude. my rig is at my dad's loft on the airport. check it out. www.thepoopsheet.com


sundevil777  (D License)

Aug 15, 2005, 8:24 PM
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In reply to:
no dude. my rig is at my dad's loft on the airport. check it out. www.thepoopsheet.com

He makes you jump a round reserve too! Laugh


packing_jarrett  (D License)

Aug 15, 2005, 8:26 PM
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huh? oh yeah. thats soon to change though


(This post was edited by packing_jarrett on Aug 15, 2005, 8:27 PM)


hookitt  (D License)

Aug 15, 2005, 9:30 PM
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If you were my kid I'd smack your head ... lovingly of course. Then say with a smile "Have fun" and walk away.

You'd get the point and I wouldn't be an ass.

Secondly if you were my kid, you'd have a different rig so I could either lift the flap, or look on the back pad. Then ... I'd smack your head ... lovingly of course. Then say with a smile "Have fun" and walk away.


slug  (B License)

Aug 15, 2005, 10:43 PM
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I'm sure you know some people do their own gear checks, because they don't like folks messing with their gear once it's own.

Due to the reserve pin location on a racer a self pin check is required. Sounds like you need to review you procedures so you don't forget the pin check & to turn on the cypress again.

Father knows you best and has your best interests at heart. Whatever you dad decides is good enough for me.

Don't worry be happy! Worse things could have happened and you got a long career ahead of you. Pay attention, don't screw up and enjoy it.Smile

R.I.P.


jurgencamps  (D License)

Aug 16, 2005, 2:06 AM
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Check and double check.


mr2mk1g  (C 103449)

Aug 16, 2005, 2:33 AM
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You're a-licensed. I'd tell you it was off and tell you to go get on the plane and jump with it turned off since that's obviously how you wanted it seeing as you checked your gear thoroughly and all.

(maybe not a big thing to you; maybe it would be)

Then give you a talking to when you got down. If it is a big thing to you to jump without a cypres then jumping knowing it's off might just make you check your gear properly in future. If not, then the talking to would help... maybe also a gear check exam.


bigorangemd  (D 30922)

Aug 16, 2005, 4:35 AM
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There is a point here that you are missing. Decisions are what keep you alive or kill you. Seems like a minor infraction, but it shows complaicency and poor decision making. I saw two people who's incorrect decision process result in their death skydiving last week. You can never tell when a decision can turn deadly. I have nearly 200 jumps and still get gear checks if not every jump, always for the first jump. I also gear check my partners, some of whom have many more jumps than I. Don't rely on them, but use them as a back up to stay safe. Choose safety at every possible turn.


Premier skymama  (D 26699)
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Aug 16, 2005, 5:01 AM
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It just sounds like to me that he loves you and is trying to make an impression on you to remember to do your gear checks. Don't be mad at him, at least he cares! Smile


wmw999  (D 6296)

Aug 16, 2005, 5:06 AM
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Somehow I misread what you said, and thought you said you'd also gotten a gear check. Big difference -- mistakes are not a big deal, bullshitting about safety is.

And yeah, the part about "I love you son" would also be in my response Smile

Wendy W.


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