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Taft Connie jumpship 1965, details???

 


377  (F 666)

Jul 15, 2005, 9:38 AM
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The book Falcon's Disciples has a photo of jumpers exiting a Lockheed Constellation and says it was shot at Taft DZ (CA) in 1965. Does anyone have details on the jumpship? Model? N number? Owner? Even at 1965 prices it took a lot of fuel money to feed 4 Wright 3350 engines. How did they make it work out financially?


rapter  (D 11825)

Jul 15, 2005, 12:05 PM
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Ask Bob Sinclair I remember him talking about it. We Jumped one at Cal-City a few years ago, And I jumped another for a demo in Tx.


377  (F 666)

Jul 15, 2005, 12:26 PM
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Thanks. The Cal City Connie (from Camarillo) is now sponsored by Breitling Watches and is in immaculate condition touring on the European airshow circuit. It is now based in Switzerland. Never did get a chance to make a Connie jump. Showed up to two WFFCs where it was a no show and when I had one day to jump the Connie at Cal City the winds were over 30 kts and it never flew.


slug  (B License)

Jul 15, 2005, 3:54 PM
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Hi 377

I'm still kicking myself for missing out on the chance to jump the connie at the WFFC in 94 (wind).Frown

But we did get some nice pics of it on the ground IMO The lines on that airplane are beautiful with the triple vertical stabilizers, long slim body, ......Blush excuse me got to go to the bathroomAngelic.

Where was I Crazy Anyway just seeing the bird n person is a treatSmile

R.I.P.


377  (F 666)

Jul 15, 2005, 4:06 PM
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If you like Connies check out: http://www.conniesurvivors.com/

Sure hope we can get one back to WFFC some day.

Rumors about a strange hybrid propliner that might show up at WFFC this year, ATL 98 Carvair, like a double deck DC 4. From the front it looks like a 747 with four props. Sure hope it shows up.


airtwardo  (D License)

Jul 15, 2005, 4:45 PM
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I'm still kicking myself for missing out on the chance to jump the connie at the WFFC in 94 (wind).


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I got a free jump that year from it, when it was on the way to the convention. It was leaving an airshow in Springfield, Il.

...we were looking around the ole bird and they offered us a jump from it during their departure.

Made one orbit over the airport and we got out at 5 grand...Cool


sundevil777  (D License)

Jul 15, 2005, 6:42 PM
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How many would a Connie hold?

I jumped the DC4 in the early '80s at Coolidge. It took over 100 I think. One guy did rope and ring magic tricks in the back on the way to altitude, and a blow up doll was tossed around before being the first to exit. It took forever for the pilots to get it ready before takeoff.


bozo  (D 10154)

Jul 16, 2005, 5:20 AM
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I jumped the DC4 in the early '80s at Coolidge. It took over 100 I think. One guy did rope and ring magic tricks in the back on the way to altitude, and a blow up doll was tossed around before being the first to exit. It took forever for the pilots to get it ready before takeoff.-------------------------------------------------------
It seems like that Coolidge DC-4 held 120 jumpers. I made many many jumps from it in the early 80s
They used it to haul frozen fish during the season in Alaska then we go it during the off time.
Nice airplane

bozo


piisfish

Jul 16, 2005, 7:50 AM
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In reply to:
Sure hope we can get one back to WFFC some day.
the FAA refused that we jumped our swiss Connie last year UnimpressedUnimpressed


slug  (B License)

Jul 16, 2005, 8:04 AM
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In reply to:
I jumped the DC4 in the early '80s at Coolidge. It took over 100 I think. One guy did rope and ring magic tricks in the back on the way to altitude, and a blow up doll was tossed around before being the first to exit. It took forever for the pilots to get it ready before takeoff.
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It seems like that Coolidge DC-4 held 120 jumpers. I made many many jumps from it in the early 80s
They used it to haul frozen fish during the season in Alaska then we go it during the off time.
Nice airplane

bozo
Hi Jimbo

http://www.boeing.com/history/mdc/dc-4.htm
Interesting history

Clicky?

R.I.P.


skr  (D 981)

Aug 27, 2005, 9:23 PM
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I was on that load. From memory:

It was organized by the Pacific Coast Skydivers.

I don't remember the cost but it was like $50-$100.

We took off from somewhere in LA, like Long Beach,
although I don't think it was actually Long Beach.

It was owned by Blatz(?) Airlines.
The seats were in place.
The stewardesses were on board.

The idea, besides jumping an exotic airplane, was
to have the inconceivably large number of 100 jumpers
in freefall at the same time.

Most people were afraid to have that many people
in the air so we had 64 or 65.

We flew to Taft. I vaguely remember someone, Bill
Pyle?, spotting. We were at 15,000 ft.

The fear of too many people was not necessary,
just getting out of the seat, shuffling down the aisle
guarding your reserve handle and diving out spread
us out over several miles.

The stewardesses were back by the door watching
us dive out.

I never saw anybody the whole freefall, but that was
because I had to pee so bad I was about to go in my
jumpsuit and hope it dried out on the way down, so
I spent the whole jump in a head down dive and
pulled pretty low so I could get down and pee.

I don't remember why we were up there so long,
but we made several passes over the dropzone
with go arounds before we jumped.


I remember Dirty Ed telling me that the guy in front
of him passed out as he got to the door and fell
down and Dirty Ed, in the exit frenzy state of mind,
just picked him up and threw him out and dove out
after him.

Then he thought "Shit, what did I just do?" and started
chasing after him.

The guy is laying there on his back, passed out,
in a slow turn.

Part way down he comes to, shakes his head, does
the fastest half barrel roll in the history of the world,
and Dirty Ed just kind of fades off into blue.


We made a second jump, taking off from Taft.

This time we were more organized and several groups
tried to do some RW.

I was with some friends from Oceanside.

"Organized" meant that we sat close togther so that
when we struggled up out of our seats and shuffled
down the aisle we would be following each other out.


The other main thing I remember is this is where I met
Bob Sinclair.

I worked for Bob and Dave Burt for several years
after that and consider them my main teachers,
along with Bud Kiesow and Richard Economy.

So, that was 40 years ago, but that's how I remember it.

Skr



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