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170 in a 210 container

 


ryan_turner  (D License)

Jul 13, 2005, 7:04 AM
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What kind of problems will I have trying to put a 170 in a container designed to hold a 210? Specifically, I would like to put a 170 spectre in a Vector 3 with a V353M container.

I currently jump a spectre 190 in an old javelin container and am thinking about getting a vector. In a few years I might want to downsize to a 170 and would like my new container to be able to accomidate it.

The reason I am looking at the V353M is because it is the smallest vector that will hold a 193 reserve.


freefalle  (D 27777)

Jul 13, 2005, 7:43 AM
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Ryan, I have a thought on this issue but I am not going to state it because frankly, I'm not sure I'm right so rather than give you incorrect inforamtion, allow me to give you this phone number to Relative Workshop 386 736 7589. Contact Egon in sales or JC in manufacturing or Tara in quality control anyone of them will be able to answer your questions. There web site, if you dont already have it is http://www.relativeworkshop.com Good luck be careful


JohnRich  (D License)

Jul 13, 2005, 11:05 AM
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What kind of problems will I have trying to put a 170 in a container designed to hold a 210?

I am not a rigger...

I have one rig, but two canopies: a 300 sq. ft. Classic accuracy canopy, and a 260 sq. ft. Triathalon. The container is sized for the larger canopy, but most of the time I'm jumping the smaller Triathalon. I swap them in and out as needed.

Normally, you pack the canopy a bit wider than the bag, so that you fill the corners well to distribute the bulk evenly. But when putting a smaller canopy into a larger bag, you can pack with less width, so that more bulk is piled up in the center, to keep the closing loop tight.

You can shorten the closing-loop if possible to help take up some slack space in the closing flaps. I swap out closing-loops with my canopies, so that I have custom-fit tightness.

The canopy will also fluff up with air to fill the space available.

In my opinion, this shouldn't be a problem. It never has been for me, and I've been doing this a long time. But by all means, get some expert rigger opinions.


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Jul 13, 2005, 12:37 PM
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Containers are built in different sizes for a reason. Mixing and matching components can and has led to problems.

Rather than go through all the trouble of designing your own container size, take the number posted and call the RWS. Tell them your problem and I bet they will be able to solve it for you.

Sparky


Premier GravityGirl  (D 18897)

Jul 13, 2005, 1:54 PM
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Pick up the phone and ask the people who will know for sure. Wink


Elisha  (D 31656)

Jul 13, 2005, 3:08 PM
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Is there a limit for how small you can downsize for it to fit properly in a container? For example, I currently have a Sabre2-150 in a Vector container. Suppose I want to buy a new container in a year, but want to be fit both my current 150 and whatever I may want to downsize to later on (135 or even 120). Thanks!


Premier GravityGirl  (D 18897)

Jul 13, 2005, 3:29 PM
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Most containers can accomodate a couple/few size main canopies.

Each container and size will differ as to exactly what you can put in there.

Best to consult with your Dealer or the Manufacturer to plan out your new rig for your current needs with consideration for the next phase of your jumping.


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Jul 13, 2005, 7:41 PM
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In reply to:
Most containers can accomodate a couple/few size main canopies.

Each container and size will differ as to exactly what you can put in there.

Best to consult with your Dealer or the Manufacturer to plan out your new rig for your current needs with consideration for the next phase of your jumping.

Yea, what she said.Tongue

Sparky


skydived19006  (D 19006)

Jul 15, 2005, 10:00 AM
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In reply to:
What kind of problems will I have trying to put a 170 in a container designed to hold a 210? Specifically, I would like to put a 170 spectre in a Vector 3 with a V353M container.

I currently jump a spectre 190 in an old javelin container and am thinking about getting a vector. In a few years I might want to downsize to a 170 and would like my new container to be able to accomidate it.



The reason I am looking at the V353M is because it is the smallest vector that will hold a 193 reserve.

I was in the middle of exactly the same issue, and there is a string I started here http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1679945;search_string=bill%20booth;#1679945 titled “Do Skydivers Care About Safety” Bill Booth. I wanted a V3 to put a PD218R, and an Icarus Crossfire 159, if you look at the sizing there is no such beast. I ordered a demo PD176RM (set up as a main), couldn’t get a stand up landing out of it (240 lbs geared up, dead center accuracy just not pretty). I decided that maybe I should buy a PD193R, but looking at the sizing charts the mains listed in the 2 containers specifying a PD193R (V353, V355 both take a PD230, etc), are the same mains listed for the 2 containers specifying the PD218R (V357 takes a PD230, V358 takes a PD260 etc.). I already own a PD218R, so I just confirmed the V357. So the main will be a little “easy to pack”, I’ll bet my life that it won’t kill me.

Oh, I’ve been all thorough the two canopies out issues with mismatched canopies. I figure I’m better off with a “reasonably” sized reserve.

Martin


(This post was edited by skydived19006 on Jul 15, 2005, 10:06 AM)



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