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rigger_john  (C 101098)

Mar 31, 2005, 2:31 AM
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Hi Guys, me and my colleague were discussing what winds us up the most, things like, jumpers asking if we can examine thier main closing loop, or questions that start with "Do you have 5 minutes", because we all know that it take about three quarters of an hour to do a five minute job.

A rigger we know once got asked to patch a crossport vent. Or how about the time I got a canopy with a note on it saying hole in tail. to find after 20 mins of inspection the hole was in the nose.

Over to you guys!


Premier Tonto  (D 515)
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Mar 31, 2005, 3:46 AM
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Calling you groundmonkeys.

Most all riggers I've called that have been visibly upset by it.
All I know is that every second you spend packing, patching, sewing... - you're not jumping.

And for me the sport is about jumping.

t


Danne  (D License)

Mar 31, 2005, 3:57 AM
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What I hate?

Customers begging on there knees and saying: Please-please can you have my rigg finished for this weekend, I really-really need it!

Since your a nice guy that want to help you customer out: You are up all night loosing sleep, sewing and packing to get it finished in time.

What happens? They come by about a month later to collect there stuff, with no guilt at all they just say "Thanks" and leave...
Mad


stratostar  (Student)

Mar 31, 2005, 5:03 AM
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A rigger we know once got asked to patch a crossport vent.(quote)

If it was a main,
I would have put a hot pink one on it and charged them 50 bucks and put a note in the data card to let them know their a dumbass, then charged them at least 35 to pick it out later.Tongue
The customer is always right, right?
LOL

~


masterrig  (D License)

Mar 31, 2005, 5:16 AM
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Folks who ask me; "When is my reserve due?" I put a small label on the reserve ripcord handle with the due date.Crazy


Chuck


KevinMcGuire  (D 15395)

Mar 31, 2005, 5:19 AM
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Customers who expect to pay next to nothing for our services. These are often the same customers that say "hay I've got this real quick booty repair I need done"


masterrig  (D License)

Mar 31, 2005, 5:48 AM
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... it'll take you about 5-minutes!!!


Chuck


avgjoe  (Student)

Mar 31, 2005, 6:23 AM
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People not understanding the loft has hours(M-F 8-5) Just because the rigger is on the dz doesn't mean the rigger is on duty and available for work.

Avgjoe
Hook it for Safety


masterrig  (D License)

Mar 31, 2005, 6:29 AM
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Which reminds me of a similar incident at our DZ. A young, up and coming jumper called me over in a panic! His brand new Sabre had 'big holes in it'. I politely, explained 'cross-porting'!Laugh


Chuck


Hummusx  (A 43513)

Mar 31, 2005, 6:32 AM
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A rigger we know once got asked to patch a crossport vent.

I just had to have this done...I'm sure you are meaning patch the entire vent.


stratostar  (Student)

Mar 31, 2005, 6:36 AM
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Yea that kind of stuff cracks me up.

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masterrig  (D License)

Mar 31, 2005, 6:39 AM
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... or trying to 'cock' a bungee pilot chute!Laugh


Chuck


LawnDart21  (D License)

Mar 31, 2005, 6:46 AM
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I hate it when I get lost in an end cell, and no one comes looking for me. Unsure

I hate it when I hear "Hey, we go a pizza, you want a slice?" when I am in the middle of a pack job, and all I end up with is other people's crusts. Unsure

I hate showing up late to the bonfire after I finish up in the loft. I always miss the naked hoola hooping. Unsure

I hate giving up my croquet mallet to go pack on rainy days at the DZ. Unsure

I hate drinking soda after the beer light goes on to stay sober in case someone needs help with a rig. Unsure

I hate the fact that my rig always always always ends up being the last one I repack.......Unsure

I hate the fact that my wife wants to do her 20 supervised pack jobs on MY rig, not hers.....Unsure

I hate the fact that I actually like to sew. Every time I sew something, I have to do 20 push ups to reclaim my machismo. Unsure

So yeah, alot of things really tick me off about rigging.....Mad

But Damn, I love being a rigger! Smile


stratostar  (Student)

Mar 31, 2005, 7:12 AM
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We got a master rigger at my dz who has been jumping 50 years, he has a dolphin and tacked down his reserve risers with 6lb cord.
it was real funny to hear the "new kids" talk to the dzo about trying to ground him because of his dangerous rig and bad rigging on his rig.
I tease him all the time about it.

~


masterrig  (D License)

Mar 31, 2005, 7:27 AM
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That's funny! Laugh


Chuck


stratostar  (Student)

Mar 31, 2005, 7:34 AM
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I knew you would see the humor in that.

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masterrig  (D License)

Mar 31, 2005, 7:38 AM
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I had similar happen with me and my ROL! Yup! I finally caved-in and changed it to BOC.Laugh


Chuck


riggermick  (D 17071)

Mar 31, 2005, 7:56 AM
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In reply to:
Hi Guys, me and my colleague were discussing what winds us up the most, things like, jumpers asking if we can examine thier main closing loop, or questions that start with "Do you have 5 minutes", because we all know that it take about three quarters of an hour to do a five minute job.

A rigger we know once got asked to patch a crossport vent. Or how about the time I got a canopy with a note on it saying hole in tail. to find after 20 mins of inspection the hole was in the nose.

Over to you guys!



Non riggers who try to pass themselves off as technichly proficent in the art and have never packed a reserve let alone have the skill to sew. If you are going to give advise to someone, get the rating to prove that you can really do it. The same thing bugs me about non rated instructors giving students advice on equipment choice/ instructional technique etc. Once again if you want to give advice to people, get the rating.


Mick.Mad


livendive  (D 21415)

Mar 31, 2005, 8:27 AM
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In reply to:
Non riggers who try to pass themselves off as technichly proficent in the art and have never packed a reserve let alone have the skill to sew. If you are going to give advise to someone, get the rating to prove that you can really do it. The same thing bugs me about non rated instructors giving students advice on equipment choice/ instructional technique etc. Once again if you want to give advice to people, get the rating. Mad

Hmmm...Do you have any grey area in that peeve? e.g. folks who have a fair amount of packing experience and equipment knowledge but don't know how to sew?

Blues,
Dave


diablopilot  (D License)

Mar 31, 2005, 8:49 AM
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What happens? They come by about a month later to collect there stuff, with no guilt at all they just say "Thanks" and leave...

That's why "RUSH" work always costs extra.


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Mar 31, 2005, 8:54 AM
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Wanabee apprentices who ask me to teach them for free.
They never take training seriously, never finish their ratings and generally waste my time.


riggergreg  (D 17489)

Mar 31, 2005, 9:08 AM
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Other riggers who don't take the time to put relevent info on data cards, so I have to call the customer and argue about having to send in a cypres for service or change the batteries.


riggermick  (D 17071)

Mar 31, 2005, 9:34 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
Non riggers who try to pass themselves off as technichly proficent in the art and have never packed a reserve let alone have the skill to sew. If you are going to give advise to someone, get the rating to prove that you can really do it. The same thing bugs me about non rated instructors giving students advice on equipment choice/ instructional technique etc. Once again if you want to give advice to people, get the rating. Mad

Hmmm...Do you have any grey area in that peeve? e.g. folks who have a fair amount of packing experience and equipment knowledge but don't know how to sew?

Blues,
Dave


Hi Dave,



I do, and will (from my perspective) make concessions on a case by case basis. Example, People like JP or Frank @ SQ1 who are not rated but, due to the nature of their professions have an enormous data base about the subject @ hand. Also knowing these guys as I do, I know that they are fully aware of where their technical limitations end. The issue I have is with the lesser experienced (time in sport, ratings,exposure to a variety of unusual things(time in sport again)) people giving advise as though it were gospel.


Most experienced jumpers are pretty good about limiting what they tell newer people but there are exceptions to this rule. I have seen it too many times when a relativly new jumper trying to make an impression on someone less experienced starts pontificating about subjects that they clearly don't fully understand. I can be very dangerous to the newer jumper. The motivations behind this behaviour are usually the same, either an ego boost or a way to score with the new student ( nearly always female).

I have to admit over two and a half decades in this sport it is nearly (close to 100%) always males who exibit this type of behaviour.

Like I said this is only MY perception of how things are. I don't mean to cram this down anyones throat.

Mick.


JohnRich  (D License)

Mar 31, 2005, 10:08 AM
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What happens? They come by about a month later to collect there stuff, with no guilt at all they just say "Thanks" and leave...

That's why "RUSH" work always costs extra.

I recall a sign in the rigging loft, when I first started jumping in the late 70's:

Reserve repacks: $15
If you watch: $25



FrogNog  (C 34484)

Mar 31, 2005, 10:14 AM
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Reserve repacks: $15
If you watch: $25

I've seen this sign with modernized prices.

There was an additional line below that: "If I watch you pack it: " and it was twice the price of the preceeding line.

All the items seemed fair - they were straight estimates of time required.


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