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scottbre  (A License)

Dec 20, 2004, 10:40 AM
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I just read the Atmonauti article on the DZ.com front page. Maybe I'm missing something here, but this just seems like fancy tracking to me. Granted I think it's cool that people are actually starting to do tracking formations and such (because I had wondered about doing that at times) but I fail to see why this deserve it's own moniker in the skydiving jargon. If it's tracking, call it tracking.

Like I said, what am I missing here?


skygod7777  (D 24081)

Dec 20, 2004, 11:14 AM
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it's not really tracking though, look at the angle they're at. tracking is flat, this is not. have you ever seen somone do feet first tracking??? i know i haven't, but i've seen, feet first atmonauti's lead my mike whitenburg.

so, similar to tracking, yes, same no.

later


rmcvey  (D 102366)

Dec 20, 2004, 11:47 AM
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Give it a go and find out what you are missing...

It feels way different to tracking, kind of weightless.
The best way to try the position ive found is
get 90' to jump run, start tracking bringing the arms out to the side, about halfway between shoulders and waist. (Similar to the delta track)

De-arch slightly and drop the kness a touch.


Now look at your feet.


Whalla!

Wink


Vertifly  (D 27236)

Dec 20, 2004, 4:31 PM
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with tracking, the 'sweet spot' is more lazy

atmonauti has an angle all-it's-own and demands more attention from your body positioning - period. albeit, it's only about 10-20 degrees different.

FUN AS HELL THOUGH!!! Smile


VectorBoy  (F 321)

Dec 20, 2004, 6:14 PM
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Its been said a billion times on these forums by people that have not done it personally but say it looks like tracking. This just confirms to others that you haven't done it yourself. It is nottracking.

If you want to call it freeflying to a horizontal heading fine, but don't call it tracking. It has more to do with headown which not everyone can do than with tracking which most people can do to some degree.


Squeak  (E 1313)

Dec 20, 2004, 9:05 PM
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It is tracking in so much as you do actually track across the sky, but it's not tracking as we understand it in skydiving.
When done well a stacked atmonauti looks awsome, and you can take docks in a 'Nauti
We have some excellent 'Nauti runners here in Oz, (Crikey & Buck to name 2).
It's wicked fun and much tighter in formation than tracking divesCool


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j3zz  (C 104441)

Dec 21, 2004, 1:41 AM
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This weekend I was doing some atmontauti flights.

On the first one as I got into the angle I thought my main had fallen out of my rig. When you get it just right the lift the body generates causes your rig to literally get sucked off your back. Very wierd and nothing like tracking, read the Atmonauti website and it explains clearly the difference

Jezz


deaffreeflyer  (C 102376)

Dec 21, 2004, 2:25 AM
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Oh man, you don't know what you missed! Just come over to Europe and try it with Marco, Babylon boys or atmojunkies! I am sure Eli (Flyboyz) did it a lot when he was at Espace Boogie. Ask him about it. Yes you get forward like tracking but steeper, you will get a lot of lift and you can do some 360 turns (like barrel roll), grips, carving (YES!) etc... without fell out. More time in air and further than tracking. When I tried it, flight was amazing, a lot more smoother and precise than tracking I felt like I actually flying with my body without any efforts. GREAT FUN! Don't be a narrow mind, go on and try it, it won't bite. I can tell you something for sure, you will know the difference, you will LOVE it once you tried it.

It is not tracking!
It is not flocking!


Atmodude

Dec 21, 2004, 5:37 AM
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yeah viva la Revoluzione ! :-)


j3zz  (C 104441)

Dec 21, 2004, 7:21 AM
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Stuart

Do you know if Babylon will be doing atmonauti organising at the X-Mass boogie this year?

My brother and I are going out there and after Langar boogie 2 are up for some more Atmo

Jezz


deaffreeflyer  (C 102376)

Dec 21, 2004, 7:51 AM
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Do you know if Babylon will be doing atmonauti organising at the X-Mass boogie this year?

Jezz

Yes I think so. Just ask them and they'll organise it. They did some atmo jumps at Sibson last May. Have fun u lucky git! Smile


scottbre  (A License)

Dec 21, 2004, 10:34 AM
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...tracking which most people can do to some degree.

Most but not all, hehe. Wink

RE: atmonauti

Sounds interesting, have to give it a try sometime. Too bad there are no atmonauts around where I jump (central indiana).


Jskydiver22  (C 34942)

Dec 21, 2004, 12:49 PM
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You mean there are no atmonauts as of Now....Im sure we could turn ourselves into ones with the right practice Cool

Hey, we could be franklin's first atmonaut's!!!


skygod7777  (D 24081)

Dec 21, 2004, 12:59 PM
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come over to richmond, me, vern, and jason have done it a little (vern quite a bit actually) down in fl. we could go on some with ya Wink.


later


piisfish

Dec 21, 2004, 3:18 PM
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In reply to:
Do you know if Babylon will be doing atmonauti organising at the X-Mass boogie this year?

My brother and I are going out there and after Langar boogie 2 are up for some more Atmo
They organise more or less whatever you wish...

I'll be there too... check out the Piis blade (blue and orange), and the cow blade (white and black)...


weegegirl  (D License)

Dec 21, 2004, 7:19 PM
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Check out their website. They go into a ton of detail about how they are producing a lot more lift, etc. The angle of atmonauti falls right between the angle of a track and that of a flock. The diagrams on their website are pretty cool. I've only tried it once or twice... and there is a LOT to learn there. Seams very cool! Smile


Zenister  (A 42)

Dec 22, 2004, 2:57 AM
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have you ever seen somone do feet first tracking???

yup... i've seen both Andy and TJ flip 180 in the middle of a tracking dive and easily keep up... granted its not a max track, but what tracking dive ever is really??


skygod7777  (D 24081)

Dec 22, 2004, 4:23 AM
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yup... i've seen both Andy and TJ flip 180 in the middle of a tracking dive and easily keep up... granted its not a max track, but what tracking dive ever is really??


ok ok, well i guess that kind of counts.......a fast backslide........knee's tucked on their ass and hand out........ok.


later


VanillaSkyGirl

Dec 22, 2004, 6:52 AM
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yeah viva la Revoluzione ! :-)

WOW~ I looked at the website, and I am simply captivated. I want to learn to do that, someday. It looks so BEAUTIFUL and unique.

Does anyone teach or practice Atmonauti in the US?


Brains  (D License)

Dec 22, 2004, 7:45 AM
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Does anyone teach or practice Atmonauti in the US?

Hey Rosa, last year at Eloy, TJ, Jeffro, and company were organizing several Atmonauti dives. I think Amy C. was doing several of them as well. Maybe hook up with one or all of them this year and see if they are going to do it again.


deaffreeflyer  (C 102376)

Dec 22, 2004, 9:11 AM
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I checked your profile and your home DZ's Perris, then your best bet is ask Eli, Fritz or Charles (flyboyz) about it. They did a lot of atmonauti while they were in Europe. I am sure they organised it in Perris many times.


VectorBoy  (F 321)

Dec 22, 2004, 9:29 AM
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 I am sure they organised it in Perris many times.
Yes Eli, Fritz, Charles, Alaska Jon, Swanson have organized a bunch of them during the X-fest. I had the pleasure of doing about 30 of them. Some Perris people have hundreds, ask around Rosa. The Atmonauti is closer to you than you think.


VanillaSkyGirl

Dec 22, 2004, 10:32 AM
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I am sure they organised it in Perris many times.

Yes Eli, Fritz, Charles, Alaska Jon, Swanson have organized a bunch of them during the X-fest. I had the pleasure of doing about 30 of them. Some Perris people have hundreds, ask around Rosa. The Atmonauti is closer to you than you think.
I think that someone (FF LO) was showing me how one day when I had about about 70 jumps or so, but I had no idea that this was it. We ended up doing a regular tracking jump instead due to my request (it was awesome), but I'm sure that it would be extremely easy to find someone to show me how at Perris. Eveyone is always wanting to teach the latest things there and at Elsinore, too. Thanks everyone!

Btw, is this something that should be preferrably done while wearing a FF suit, or can it be done as well using birdman pantz?


(This post was edited by VanillaSkyGirl on Dec 22, 2004, 10:33 AM)


Zenister  (A 42)

Dec 22, 2004, 12:30 PM
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yup... i've seen both Andy and TJ flip 180 in the middle of a tracking dive and easily keep up... granted its not a max track, but what tracking dive ever is really??


ok ok, well i guess that kind of counts.......a fast backslide........knee's tucked on their ass and hand out........ok.

actually Andy doesnt tuck his knees... i cant recall exactly how TJ was doing it..but Andy looked very much like a 'traditional' tracking shape.. just with his feet forward and arms extended...... after the first few times i saw it i 'learned' to ignore the man in red... he isnt obeying the same laws of physics as the rest of us... WinkCool


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VectorBoy  (F 321)

Dec 22, 2004, 6:51 PM
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I think that someone (FF LO) was showing me how one day when I had about about 70 jumps or so, but I'm sure that it would be extremely easy to find someone to show me how at Perris. Eveyone is always wanting to teach the latest things there and at Elsinore, too. Thanks everyone!

Btw, is this something that should be preferrably done while wearing a FF suit, or can it be done as well using birdman pantz?
Was this LO lil Dave? He is very good at it ( I Shot the video that makes him look good at it ). It was smart not to do it at 70 jumps unless you've done some FF HD. But now that you've been to FF tunnel camp it would be a good thing to try. It is easier than FF HD and safer. It develops the same body movements and muscle training but at slower speeds so it is easier to fine tune without dangerous zooming.

I have used both a FF suit and BM pantz for it. I do like the pantz. Although my whole new thing is tighter stuff that flys slower but that is a separate subject.

Try it in Eloy, I believe that all of their FF LOs have been exposed to it. Some I'm sure excel at it. Some people believe that this is the future of FF. Free fly as we know it now is going the way of RW with competion points and bigways. Hybrids and stuff done on a tangent or vector will take the place of the new. I didn't say it I'm just repeating it!


(This post was edited by VectorBoy on Dec 22, 2004, 7:25 PM)


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