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sangiro
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Welcome Tunnel Rats!
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Heya all,
Welcome to the new Dropzone.com forum for wind tunnel discussions. The purpose of this forum is to discuss tunnel related training and flight techniques and to get information about and discuss feedback on different tunnels across the world.
Although we understand that there are a limited number of organizations involved in providing these services, and that their names will be prominent in this forum (not unlike the Wing Suit forum) this is not a place for companies to peddle their wares. The no advertising rule applies here as in all other forums.
Tunnel Camps should be posted to the Calendar. Feel free to come back here and tell us about what you learned or give a report on how the camp went. The forum is also not the place for individuals to advertise available tunnel time or open slots. Please use the Classifieds for that.
By sticking to these simple guidelines you can help ensure that this becomes a useful resource about tunnel flight and is not over-run by promotions and advertising.
SkymonkeyONE is in da house!
Have fun! 
(This post was edited by sangiro on Nov 8, 2004, 4:42 AM)
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SkymonkeyONE
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Nov 9, 2004, 8:26 AM
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Re: [sangiro] Welcome Tunnel Rats!
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While there may be people out there with more time in the cone than I have, our desire to keep our moderator pool as small as possible lands me here keeping this forum in check. Just as a matter of reference though, I have accumulated 254 hours of tunnel time, all of it in the military tunnel on Fort Bragg. I am possibly best known in that capacity as being the guy who flew Joan Lunden in the tunnel on "Behind Closed Doors" which has played probably 100 times on TV.
Please just keep Sangiro's "no advertising" rules in mind when posting here and all will be well.
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Paulipod
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Nov 23, 2004, 2:36 AM
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Re: [SkymonkeyONE] Welcome Tunnel Rats!
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Hey... thats alot of Bragg time!
Maybe you could at some point give us the low down on their tunnel.... as not many people get to go in it I heard?!
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Nov 23, 2004, 4:39 AM
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Re: [SkymonkeyONE] Welcome Tunnel Rats!
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can we rename this forum "the crack house?" 
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Nov 23, 2004, 5:06 AM
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Re: [sangiro] Welcome Tunnel Rats!
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HH,
Thanks for finally creating a LZ for us tunnel junkies. Only one question from me though, what's it doing in the Skydiving Forum?? I would've thought that it would belong next to BASE jumping in the Related Sports.. since it's not skydiving and is a sport unto itself.
But glad to have it somewhere. Will all the misc tunnelposts around the other forums be transferred over??? It would help to keep the repitition down for sure!
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Nov 23, 2004, 5:57 AM
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I will likely move all the tunnel-related threads in forums which I mod over here in short order. PM the mod of those other forums and ask them to move those which you think are important.
Also, to answer John, I have always kept a running tally. It's all comprised of the number of full days my team was in their for training, hours we were teaching students at the GB club, when I was doing demos at SWC, plus the number of hours I spent in there at lunch during my last five years at SWC (we owned the tunnel).
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Nov 23, 2004, 6:16 AM
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Yeah!!! Thanks, HH. You rock!
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Nov 23, 2004, 8:10 AM
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Re: [sangiro] Welcome Tunnel Rats!
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 Oh, ok.
Ya know why I come here, even though I don't consider my tunnel time as training for skydiving?
Because there are like minded individuals here and at the DZ... people who can appreciate the freedom of thought, movement and thinking outside the norm. This mindset is not available from just anyone, but usually comes as a package with skydivers, tunnel flyers & pilots in general, the understanding of what's important, and about knowing your body or vessel and enjoying life to it's fullest today.
Good luck with the re-organization..and thanks for the place to land.
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Nov 23, 2004, 9:54 AM
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Nice job. But you made me look bad
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NeedToJump
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Nov 24, 2004, 8:51 AM
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Thanks for creating this forum and thank you SM1 for moderating it, I know I will be in here a lot. Any chance of adding a tunnel time field into the profile?
In addition to "crack house" maybe we should call this forum "the sewer" since it's where all the tunnel rats will be congregating  
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Nov 24, 2004, 5:17 PM
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I agree a tunnel time field in the profile would help other filter through some of the crap advice that may pop up. If you can see that the person has amassed a bit of time, it may help you make better decisions on advice to take.
Thanks for the new forum HH U rock!
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Nov 25, 2004, 6:11 AM
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Re: [Shark] Welcome Tunnel Rats!
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Never said your advice is useless. I said it would help others judge what advice to take since tunnel flying and sky flying are different (esp. freeflying).
Maybe not being in the tunnel much, it didn't occur to you that freeflying in the tunnel is very different than in the air. I didn't ask for attitude I was just putting out an idea for HH to chew on.
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Nov 25, 2004, 6:51 AM
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I disagree and it's meaningless. I have a fraction of the tunnel time SM1 does, but that doesn't mean my advice is useless, does it?
The amount of tunnel time someone has is definitely not meaningless. Yes, it means something different then the amount of air time someone has or the amount of jumps someone has but it is definitely not meaningless. Not having tunnel time does not make someone's advice useless, it just means it has to be taken in a different context when talking about tunnel related issues.
If I want to learn how to run up a tunnel wall, back flip and run down the other wall I would want an answer from someone who has done that in the tunnel. No amount of skydives will teach someone how to do that, only tunnel.
Since this is a tunnel forum I would expect people to ask at least *some* questions related specifically to the tunnel. For these types of questions I think the amount of tunnel time someone has is very important.
When it comes to tunnel flying there are certain things that you might be able to do perfectly in the sky but not at all in the tunnel. Someone who has never flown in the tunnel or only has a limited amount of time may not realize this and inadvertently give advice trying to help but may in fact be the wrong thing to do in the tunnel.
In any case, I don't think that having a tunnel time field in the profile would hurt. I feel that the more you know about someone's flying experience (jumps, air time, ratings, tunnel time) just helps people make better informed decisions.
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Nov 26, 2004, 6:51 PM
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I think tunnel time would be relevant, especially if someone's posting a question about wind speed inconsistancies, entering and exiting the tunnel, or what kinds of drills work well in the tunnel. Someone with a hundred tunnel hours would be better suited to answer those questions than someone with a hundred freefall hours and five minutes of tunnel time.
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Nov 26, 2004, 11:27 PM
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I think tunnel time would be relevant, especially if someone's posting a question about wind speed inconsistancies, entering and exiting the tunnel, or what kinds of drills work well in the tunnel. Someone with a hundred tunnel hours would be better suited to answer those questions than someone with a hundred freefall hours and five minutes of tunnel time.
I would hope that somebody with 5 minutes of tunnel time would be embarrassed to offer tunnel advice. Besides 100 hrs TT would equate to 6,000+ skydives. Sounds like a professional or someone who's been around and has most likely taken advantage of the tunnel.
Skydivers should know when and who to offer advice to. If someone wants to give advice that's fine. The drills you mention would be better addressed by an instructor or tunnel coach which many ADV 4 way competitors are.
Would it be better to provide tunnel time under your avatar, or on your profile page? If everyone feels it's important to advertise their tunnel time you can petition Sangiro. People will offer advice whether they are qualified or not, however I see most just want to share their experience. I see it all the time in S&T. If somebody wants to have credibility, become a coach. 
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Thanks HH this forum is sure to be of great use.
I just did 40 mins with an Austrian tunnel rat named Fabian, with Rob Laidlaw and with Gary from Majic the past week in Orlando - what a great toy... I miss it already! (My pecs don't)
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). Whether to move them or not. I moved some very relevant ones that fit better in the new forum, and others PMd me asking to move theirs over as well. 
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