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bbarnhouse  (D License)
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Oct 30, 2004, 3:04 PM
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Information will be forthcoming after the family has been notified.
Please refrain from posting rumor,specualtion and innuendo.
I will say that this was an experienced skydiver.
Jumps: 5,700+
Years in Sport: 19
Rigger & Instructor
B2


(This post was edited by Tonto on Jul 19, 2006, 1:07 AM)


freeflytim  (D License)

Oct 30, 2004, 5:34 PM
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I just found out.
RIP and Blue Skies dude.
Hopefully he will be buried with flip-flops.
-TIM

In reply to:
Information will be forthcoming after the family has been notified.
Please refrain from posting rumor,specualtion and innuendo.
I will say that this was an experienced skydiver.
Jumps: 5,700+
Years in Sport: 19
Rigger & Instructor
B2


nicolesser  (D 139)

Oct 30, 2004, 6:03 PM
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Could anyone say something about this accident.

We are all very concerned about thi notice.

Our condolences to his family

Nico


namdrib  (D 19424)

Oct 30, 2004, 6:44 PM
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My most heart felt condolences go out to family members. RIP. You will be missed.


DavidMartin

Oct 30, 2004, 6:56 PM
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Assuming this is my little brother... the family has been notified. How about details. I cannot imagine he made a mistake....


Kopko  (D License)

Oct 30, 2004, 7:46 PM
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Always in my prayers.

vitam aeternam


freeflytim  (D License)

Oct 30, 2004, 9:49 PM
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Im sure its gonna be kick ass wake.
.As he would want it.
-TIM


DavidMartin

Oct 30, 2004, 10:12 PM
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Hmm... that didn't occur to me but yes you're correct.
He loved everything associated to the sport.

David


Premier GravityGirl  (D 18897)

Oct 30, 2004, 10:15 PM
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Has a name been released yet?


DavidMartin

Oct 30, 2004, 10:32 PM
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I don't know the rules of the forum so I won't say directly. I just came looking for info from perhaps someone who happened to be at the field when this happened.


BigM  (D 24891)

Oct 31, 2004, 2:02 AM
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Even without a name, some details of the accident surely must be known by now. Low Turn? Malfunction? Canopy colision? Does anyone know WHAT happened, without releasing a name?

Blue Skies-
Jeff


chaoskitty  (B 26574)

Oct 31, 2004, 6:23 AM
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His family knows. Chris Martin of Precision Aerodynamics and DZO of Tennessee Skydiving Center. My friend and a part of my family. I miss him and want him back.
All my love to his wife, Kristi and daughters Haley and Annabelle. I'll see you soon.


Premier sangiro
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Oct 31, 2004, 6:36 AM
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Let's keep this thread for discussing the incident.

Please post condolences and memories for Chis and his family here.

There's a thread in The Bonfire as well.

Frown


(This post was edited by sangiro on Oct 31, 2004, 6:43 AM)


Viking  (B 30397)

Oct 31, 2004, 10:47 AM
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Are there any details as to what happened?


bbarnhouse  (D License)
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Oct 31, 2004, 11:34 AM
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Container: Javelin
Canopy: Xaos21-21
AAD:none

This is what I know so far as reported in written eyewitness statements.

This was a planned skydive from 13,000 feet AGL that included Chris and 3 wingsuit flyers all of whom were wearing video cameras.
Chris was not wearing a wingsuit as he was flying the Xaos 21.
Chris exited the aircraft and deployed his canopy which opened with line twists that produced a flat spin. The wingsuit flyers chased Chris out the door as soon as they saw that he was in trouble.
Chris was seen trying to cut away the main canopy, but the centrifugal forces were too great.
All wingsuit flyers have stated that Chris was unconscious by 8,000 feet AGL and they stayed with him as long as they could prior to their own deployments.
One wingsuit flyer landed near Chris shortly after ground impact.
The other two flyers notified manifest.


Kramer  (B 27138)

Oct 31, 2004, 1:04 PM
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You'd think he would have been falling very fast if he was under a spinning 21 sq/ft canopy. Did he have a CYPRES?


flyangel2

Oct 31, 2004, 1:29 PM
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From BB's post:

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Container: Javelin
Canopy: Xaos21-21
AAD:none


Kramer  (B 27138)

Oct 31, 2004, 1:35 PM
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My bad.


bigway

Oct 31, 2004, 1:42 PM
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Please excuse my ignorance for this post but it is a question i feel i need to ask.

I was lead to belive that if you can not cut away, you might as well try to get as much material out as possible.
So two questions i ask.
Why, if the wingsuit jumpers stayed with Chris until there own deployment did they not pull his reserve out?

Second... Would it have not been possible to cut his lines away with a hook nife?

I do realise he was in a fast spin, but i am wondering if the other jumpers could stay with him why these options could not have been taken.

I am not underestimating these guys as i can imagine they would have done everything possible for Chris.
I am just trying to learn something here, maybe change my way of thinking.


flyangel2

Oct 31, 2004, 1:48 PM
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Bigway, I'm not sure if you have ever seen a spinning malfunction, but there sure is no way I would even try to get close to a situation like that. I would risk getting myself caught up in that mess too.


bigway

Oct 31, 2004, 1:52 PM
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No i have not. i will take that advise.
I read to much into it....i was thinking by staying with chris it was meant that they were trying to help him until they had to deploy.

Point taken, thank you.


jkbasejumper  (D 26602)

Oct 31, 2004, 2:04 PM
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unfortunatly...no there is no way someone could deploy a reserve or cut the lines on his canopy i have had and seen spinning malfunctions on elliptical canopies the smaller the faster.if another jumper was to try to get involved in this they would have been seriously injured...if they were lucky but more than likely they too would have been killed.I know some of you may not like this response and i meen NO disrespect.I have seen Luigi fly the 39 vx and it was stupid fast. I can only imagine how fast a 21 is and add a spinning malfunction to that is just insane.Fast enough to make a person like Chris pass out in just a short amount of time(probably mere seconds)from 13000ft to 8000ft is only 5000ft and under something that small,with that type of malfunction it would not take long at all.
I hope the wingsuit flyers are not beating them selves over this because there really was nothing they could have done(assuming all the above listed info is correct) and besides the 21sqft,spinning malfunction they were still flying wingsuits with limited movement.
I hope noone takes this post the wrong way i meen no disrespect to Chris or anyone else involved and i really regreted getting this phone call last night.


Jimbo  (D License)

Oct 31, 2004, 2:07 PM
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Chris was seen trying to cut away the main canopy, but the centrifugal forces were too great.

How old was the Javelin? Were there hard riser inserts? If so, are the Jav riser inserts constructed of plastic or a metal casing?

-
Jim


Slippy

Oct 31, 2004, 2:29 PM
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Why, if the wingsuit jumpers stayed with Chris until there own deployment did they not pull his reserve out?

Do you think it is feasible to fly a wingsuit to close proximity of a spinning mal? You have thought about this?

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Second... Would it have not been possible to cut his lines away with a hook nife?

If he could not get his arms up high enough to cut away?


bigway

Oct 31, 2004, 2:36 PM
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i have never seen a spinning mal.
this would be why i excused myself before i asked the question. Neither have i ever seen a wingsuit not on dvd.

I do understand now though after some great feedback.


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