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grlsgotalot2lrn

Sep 24, 2004, 8:44 PM
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im taking my second tandem this weekend, and hope to be much more involved, and not just have sensory overload Crazy. What are the chances i'll be able to pull the ripcord, wear an altimeter, help steer the canopy,etc.?


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AggieDave  (D License)

Sep 24, 2004, 11:06 PM
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What are the chances i'll be able to pull the ripcord, wear an altimeter, help steer the canopy,etc.?

That question would be best answered by the instructor(s) at your DZ, I'd call up your DZ and ask or drop by your DZ and ask.


tombuch  (D 8514)

Sep 25, 2004, 3:08 AM
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What are the chances i'll be able to pull the ripcord, wear an altimeter, help steer the canopy,etc.?

That shouldn't be a problem. Most drop zones let you do those things on your first jump, and in fact, the United States Parachute Association (USPA) requires that every student have an altimeter on every jump. If you feel like you are not getting adequate training or equipment, seek out another drop zone.


kelpdiver  (B 7)

Sep 25, 2004, 5:15 AM
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That shouldn't be a problem. Most drop zones let you do those things on your first jump, and in fact, the United States Parachute Association (USPA) requires that every student have an altimeter on every jump.

It does? Does that apply to any tandem, or just training oriented ones? How long has it been in effect? I didn't on either of mine, but they were a ways back in 1995 and 2000.

For the original poster - I think you should ask for all 3 of these items for your jump if you intend to continue on with more student jumps.


Morcyk  (Student)

Sep 25, 2004, 5:45 AM
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I had an alti on all 3 of my tandems and pulled the cord on all 3, but it wasn't till the 2nd one that I got a bit of canpoy control time.


mattjw916  (D License)

Sep 26, 2004, 6:22 PM
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I had an altimeter on both tandems... I was supposed to pull on the first but I was uh... distracted... Shocked second tandem was a lot more educational and did not include the sensory-overload package. Tongue


grlsgotalot2lrn

Sep 26, 2004, 6:32 PM
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took my second tandem today - got to turn, track, pull, and help steer canopy. pulled at 6000, let go of cord at approx 5999 - Crazyooooops! and i thought altitude awareness was most important!


tombuch  (D 8514)

Sep 26, 2004, 6:39 PM
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...and in fact, the United States Parachute Association (USPA) requires that every student have an altimeter on every jump.

It does? Does that apply to any tandem, or just training oriented ones? How long has it been in effect? I didn't on either of mine, but they were a ways back in 1995 and 2000.

Basic Safety Requirements mandate "a visually accessible altimeter" for "all students...until they have obtained a USPA A license." See BS "K. Parachute Equipment"


Iota  (Student)

Sep 26, 2004, 7:57 PM
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I had an alti on all 3 of my tandems and pulled the cord on all 3, but it wasn't till the 2nd one that I got a bit of canpoy control time.

Ditto for me in Houston.


AggieDave  (D License)

Sep 26, 2004, 9:54 PM
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Basic Safety Requirements mandate "a visually accessible altimeter" for "all students...until they have obtained a USPA A license." See BS "K. Parachute Equipment"

On a tandem would could that be read as "the TI can show his/her student the altimeter and it is 'visually accessible' for the student?"


tombuch  (D 8514)

Sep 27, 2004, 9:25 AM
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Basic Safety Requirements mandate "a visually accessible altimeter" for "all students...until they have obtained a USPA A license." See BS "K. Parachute Equipment"

On a tandem would could that be read as "the TI can show his/her student the altimeter and it is 'visually accessible' for the student?"

I don't think so. The BOD discussion regarding the added regulation required that each student be equipped with an altimeter. At the time some schools were giving students an altimeter, and some had the instructor show the student his altimeter. The BSR was added to make it clear that each student must be given an actual altimeter. Contact USPA for further clarification or confirmation of the intent of the regulation, or better yet, just give each of your students an actual altimeter.


Amanduh

Sep 27, 2004, 12:56 PM
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My 1st tandem was a learning experience. I got to wear an altimeter, and was instructed to lock on @ 7000, taught to wave off!, then got to pull the rip cord myself @ 6000. I even learned how to create turns (1 360 each way) using upper body.They instructed me on how to make sure the canopy was in good shape by showing how to perform a controllability check, and then they even let me participate in flying the canopy to our holding area, etc. AND help out with the landing. I don't think I would have been ready to go solo if it wasn't for the learning experiences I had on my 2 tandems.


DutchSkyCam  (D 22224)

Sep 27, 2004, 4:37 PM
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At the time some schools were giving students an altimeter, and some had the instructor show the student his altimeter.
On my Tandemmaster certification Course (in 1999) it was explained that's exactly one of the things NOT to do. Some students tend to grab anything they can get their hands on.

I don't have a problem with giving a student an alti, even acces to the ripcord is no problem. But only after they ask and some additional brieving...
I have my students help on steering, canopycontrol and sometimes on landing. depends on weather conditions and the student.

Barry


kelpdiver  (B 7)

Sep 27, 2004, 5:59 PM
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Basic Safety Requirements mandate "a visually accessible altimeter" for "all students...until they have obtained a USPA A license." See BS "K. Parachute Equipment"

To be precise, is any tandem passenger a student? And when was this BSR added? I know of more exceptions to this as recently as last summer.


tombuch  (D 8514)

Sep 27, 2004, 6:07 PM
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Basic Safety Requirements mandate "a visually accessible altimeter" for "all students...until they have obtained a USPA A license." See BS "K. Parachute Equipment"

To be precise, is any tandem passenger a student? And when was this BSR added? I know of more exceptions to this as recently as last summer.

I've checked my S&TA Newsletters back to 1992 and can't find mention of the regulation, so it's at least a few years old. At the time tandems students were considered students, and the BSR was intended to apply to them. It still does, as far as I know. The BSR is marked as not waiverable, so if your DZ is not giving an altimeter to students you should check with USPA for clarification.



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