Apr 18, 2001, 6:11 PM
Post #1 of 22
Vector 3 or Mirage G3?
I've settled on what I am choosing for a main, reserve and of course a Cypres.
But I am really struggling with what to get for a container. I will spare no expense when it comes to a container. I want the container that is the safest for all types of flight (freefly, freestyle, etc.).
I think the safest is probably the Vector 3 or the Mirage G3.
Does anyone have any reason why one of these is safer/better than the other?? Or is it a toss up?? I want to feel comfortable going head down or standing, or jumping in groups.
I just bought a Vector III on my rigger's recommendation. The primary advantage was its pin protection. Which is pretty important.
I believe the Mirage is the same fundamental design.
So it's probably pretty much a toss up. I'm pleased as punch with my Vector, but I have heard a lot of Mirage fans talk about how comfortable their rig is. So it will probably come down to a comfort question. Try both on and see which feels best to you.
You can spend less money and get the same quality/comfort/safety if you buy either Wings or Infinity. I bought a Wings for myself and could not be more happy. But I know people who are jumping Infinities and love them ,too !
try to look what standart option u get with each of the conteiners with the complete first price, some containers come with stainless steal hardware with no extra price and stuff like that, check it out and see whats the best deal
Wings has very good riser and pin protection. As my rigger / salesman told me - the top 5 or 6 manufacturers are all about equal. Which one do you like the looks of? Price? Time to your door? Wings is a newer company and very hot right now - hopefully the resale value will be there in a few years.
my 2 cents, -mob
ps - the Wings is one of only 2 containers on the market TSO'd to a higher set of standards. I'm not sure what the other one is, their marketing literature doesn't reveal that.
<FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by mattb on 4/19/01 06:36 AM.</EM></FONT>
I mentioned Wings to my rigger and he went "AAAGH!". I didn't probe much further (should have) since I was leaning toward a Javelin or Vector anyway. I know some rigs give packers and riggers fits when packing. That might be what his reaction was.
Personally I like the Mirage G3 best. I like the fact that the tuck flap that covers the pin/bridle is bigger than most of the other comparable rigs, providing more protection against snagging. I have seen Vector 3's that had bridle sticking out from underneath the tuck flap due to the fact that it is rather small. I'm sure they are all excellent rigs though.
Between those two I'd have to pick the Vector 3. Built by Relative Workshop, who have been building containers since dirt was invented (or the mid-70's, I can never remember which). Comfortable, extremely high quality, and a company that will stand behind their gear and likely still be doing so ten or twenty years from now. They also test and fiddle with their designs before releasing them to the public. Oh yeah and this is the same company that brought us the throw out pilot chute and the 3 ring release.
The Mirage is a copy of the Vector 3. Comfortable, secure and well made from what I've heard/seen but the company hasn't impressed me with customer service and the pricing is a bit on the high side imho.
Personally I'm gonna save a few bucks when I get my new container and buy an Infinity. Comfort, security, good looks and a reasonable price.
you really want to buy such a container??? before buy one, jump they, and if you really want a good container for all kind of flying check this site >www.paratec.de< i think they build a famous container at a real nice price too. with blue skies ditch9276
As far as I understand, the newerer several rigs (G3, Vector, Voodoo, Wings, Infinity, Odissey) are very much equal in quality and comfort. The comfort depends more on such factors as presence of rings @ hips, the way you pack your canopy, if the container is sized correctly for you and your canopies and so for.
To BFK : yes, Wings is made from the same 1000-cordura as Mirage or Wings. The main container closes the same way. The principal difference is that Wings has a pop-top, just like javelin. Some people say, it is safer, I'm not sure how true this is. But that is a great container !
The TSO-standards can be quite confusing. I found the following explanation from fliteline's webpages :
-------------------------------------------- TECHNICAL STANDARD ORDER (TSO) CERTIFICATION
At present there are six levels of TSO Certification is use. There are systems built under TSO C23(B) in either low speed or standard category. There are systems built under TSO C23(C) in either category A, B, or C. As of 6/1/94 TSO C23(D) was implemented and TSO C23(C) was superseded.
Parachute assemblies shall be tested to minimum limits of persons up to 115 kg (254 lbs..) fully equipped, and up to 150 knots.
Parachute assemblies shall be tested to minimum limits of persons of up to 119.7 kg (264 lbs..) fully equipped, and up to 150 knots. --------------------
At the moment I believe that all sport equipment are tested at least TSO-C23 (C).
I think the G3s look a little nicer, but I think the pin protection on the Vector is better. The flap covering the main pin on the Vector is a little stiffer and less likely to get unseated by movement in the plane, even though it may not be as wide as the G3's. I also like the extra riser covers on the Vector better. But both are great rigs. I have a Vector 3 but would look at Mirage if I were in the market for another. I like the way the reserve packs on the Vector much better than some other rigs. And the reserve pilot chute has a really stiff spring which should help launch it clear and maybe avoid entanglement if you are unstable. I have not packed a Mirage, but understand they pack the same.