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WrongWay  (D 27371)

Jul 9, 2004, 7:00 AM
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First off, I hope this is in the right forum. (I was thinking "safety") If not, feel free to move it to Gen. Skydiving.

Okay, now I realize this would cost and arm and a leg, but putting that aside, would it be a good idea to mount a few cameras facing upward around the landing area to record any activity in the pattern? No I'm not saying mount them in the middle of the LA, but perhaps one on a loft, one on a hangar, one on the side of the runway, etc......

Here's my reasoning behind this. If the landing area was monitored by video, then any incidents (or any "we need to talk about what just happened" moments) would be on video no matter what and could be analyzed better because of it.

Is it a good or bad idea?


pilotdave  (D License)

Jul 9, 2004, 7:29 AM
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I think you'd need waaaay too many cameras to catch all the possible action. And you'd probably need multiple camera angles of any area to really understand what happened. I mean to see any detail you'd need to be zoomed way in. But to cover the sky you'd want wide angle lenses. Just doesn't seam feasible to me.

Dave


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Jul 9, 2004, 8:14 AM
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Prohibitively expensive and it would produce thousands of hours of useless video.
On the other hand - if you owned a DZ in California - the system just might pay for itself during the first lawsuit.

"Do you know how to save a drowning lawyer?'
"No"
"Good!"


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Jul 9, 2004, 10:44 AM
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> I think you'd need waaaay too many cameras to catch all the possible action.

Or a smaller number of HDTV cameras (which now exist) or smart cameras. Would be expensive though.


bsoder  (B 27004)

Jul 9, 2004, 10:52 AM
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How about a camera on a smart base of some sort... put a transmitter on the jumper, and the base turns on the camera and tracks the transmitter once it's in range. There has to be something like that around...


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Jul 9, 2004, 10:56 AM
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> How about a camera on a smart base of some sort. . . .put a transmitter on the jumper,

Right. Swoopers are really going to wear a transmitter so someone can yell at them after they botch a landing.

If you wanted to do it, there is software available (designed for videoconferencing) that will just track anything large that moves.


bsoder  (B 27004)

Jul 9, 2004, 10:59 AM
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In reply to:
> How about a camera on a smart base of some sort. . . .put a transmitter on the jumper,

Right. Swoopers are really going to wear a transmitter so someone can yell at them after they botch a landing.

Good point, but I was actually thinking more along the lines of videoing student landings for canopy control/flaring/etc. debriefing. That would have been helpful to me, to be able to see what I was doing, as opposed to just being told.

Good for vanity, too... Wink


pilotdave  (D License)

Jul 9, 2004, 11:29 AM
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Just a thought... wouldn't it be a little easier and cheaper to umm... just use a regular handheld camera for that? Smile

Dave


WrongWay  (D 27371)

Jul 9, 2004, 11:43 AM
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> How about a camera on a smart base of some sort. . . .put a transmitter on the jumper,

Right. Swoopers are really going to wear a transmitter so someone can yell at them after they botch a landing.

If you wanted to do it, there is software available (designed for videoconferencing) that will just track anything large that moves.

Put a transmitter on problem jumpers. CoolLaugh

"Here, wear this in your jumpsuit, it once belonged to a great freeflyer and will bring you luck" Laugh


(This post was edited by WrongWay on Jul 9, 2004, 12:15 PM)


piisfish

Jul 9, 2004, 11:58 AM
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In reply to:
Just a thought... wouldn't it be a little easier and cheaper to umm... just use a regular handheld camera for that? Smile

Dave
or ban RW'ers... All freeflyers fly with their cameras... Tongue


happythoughts  (D License)

Jul 9, 2004, 12:05 PM
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We always get video. Usually the person says, "Here hold my camcorder, my landing is going to realllllly cool."


bsoder  (B 27004)

Jul 9, 2004, 12:12 PM
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In reply to:
Just a thought... wouldn't it be a little easier and cheaper to umm... just use a regular handheld camera for that? Smile

Stop that. We're talking about technology for its own sake here. I bet you still use Windows 95! Wink


cvfd1399  (B 27544)

Jul 9, 2004, 4:24 PM
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I like the idea of live video feeds over the internet. That way it is advertising, and people that live far away from the DZ can see what the weather looks like before they leave, or watch via computer if they cannot come that weekend!


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Jul 9, 2004, 4:46 PM
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> I like the idea of live video feeds over the internet.

Perris has that now.


VectorBoy  (F 321)

Jul 9, 2004, 7:27 PM
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> I like the idea of live video feeds over the internet.

Perris has that now.

More like had, It became the swoop cam or as Jack described it the crash into the thingy on top of the object cam.


cvfd1399  (B 27544)

Jul 10, 2004, 6:34 AM
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Cool is it on their site, or is there a special link to go to. I am off to search for it. Thanks


cvfd1399  (B 27544)

Jul 10, 2004, 11:19 AM
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The tunnel cam is up, if your at Perris FIX the other camera! Smile


ltdiver  (D 20506)

Jul 11, 2004, 12:44 AM
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> I like the idea of live video feeds over the internet.

Perris has that now.

Unfortunately the video feed doesn't work on Macs. Mad I've been in touch with the webmaster and he doesn't know how to fix this. quade doesen't either. Nor Murrays. Unsure We all have the latest version of WMP installed.

ltdiver


cvfd1399  (B 27544)

Jul 11, 2004, 9:35 AM
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The tunnel cam is cool, although a little dark I am thankful for having it at allSmile. The Landing/loading cam is down still thoUnsure.



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