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Zoter

Jun 26, 2004, 7:16 AM
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Is there a problem with 'rolling' the canopy to get it into the bag as opposed to S folding it in ..?

Anybody using this technique..?

http://www.skydivingmovies.com/...tion=file&id=233


Unstable  (D 28930)

Jun 26, 2004, 10:01 AM
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That is "Psycho Bagging", as termed ont the Performance Designs Website. You can see it in their FAQ HERE

From the Website:
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Weve made test jumps on a number of our main canopies using a psycho pack, and the openings were acceptable. We also know of some customers using this method with our canopies who are happy with the results. So, you can use the psycho bagging technique with your PD main if you want, but it is not the method we recommend.



It really isn't that uncommon. That is how I pack my Sabre2 - It just makes it easier to me to get in in the bag - Helps me control the material better...

Matter of preference, really....Smile


freeflajankie  (C 334449)

Jun 26, 2004, 1:13 PM
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I do it all the time, it's so easy to get the canopy in the bag.

It was a bit tricky in the beginning, but practice makes perfect, kind of:)

I will not go back to "regular" packing.

Ankie


Zoter

Jun 26, 2004, 2:01 PM
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Any opening issues...???
Slower .....faster...funkier...?

Wink


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Jun 27, 2004, 6:45 AM
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"Psycho bagging" is a better way to squeeze the air out, making it easier to control while stuffing it into the d-bag.
I have never heard anyone complain about it affecting openings.


phoenixlpr  (D 3049)

Jun 27, 2004, 11:45 AM
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Really. I was told horror stories about it. Theres penti of conservative skydivers around me.....

BTW: PD claims that they dont like to idea to put plenty of material in fron of the nose. Think ! Is it different from the convetional way? I dont think so: they/we fold the "ears" under - with p.bagging "ears" are folded over? Its sound the same for me.


mr2mk1g  (C 103449)

Jun 27, 2004, 1:05 PM
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I was once firmly told that I must not psycho pack a demo canopy from a large skydiving outlet. The guy from the shop was really quite animated about the issue for some reason (even before I said anything that could possably provoke him). "No problem" I replyed, "It's your canopy, I follow your rules with it, I was just making sure".

The guy appeared to get a bit angry with me when I explaned I only asked as it was the manufacturers reccomended way of packing (Icarus) and that I simply wanted him to confirm for me that he was specifically telling me to pack the canopy against manufacturers reccomendations. (ok the manual says a pro-pack is acceptable but clearly recomends the psycho pack).

The shop guy cited the "fact" that you can't see the lines and lay them out like with a propack and got even madder when I questioned his assertion by reminding him that a psycho pack is exactly the same as a propack until you lie it on the ground and thus affords exactly the same opportunity to work with the lines.

I retreated gracefully. As I said, it was their canopy, I would do with it as they wished even if the reasons for their opinion seemed a little inexplicable.

To this day I'm convinced he must have thought I was talking about a trash pack rather than a psycho pack. Why else would he have been so vocal about his opposition to the idea? Is a psycho pack really that much "voodoo" to some people?


(This post was edited by mr2mk1g on Jun 27, 2004, 4:12 PM)


FrogNog  (C 34484)

Jun 28, 2004, 9:58 AM
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In reply to:
Any opening issues...???
Slower .....faster...funkier...?

Wink

People at my DZ will back up that I try lots of different packing methods. Some say I'm trying to use my reserve. Wink

On my canopy (Hornet 190) I have found psycho-bagging consistently produces about the same openings as s-folding, if you don't do anything stupid. Blush

But I found if I roll it really tight, I can get a tiny delay between extraction from the bag and the start of inflation.

I once did a wolmari pack (s-folding the tail onto the back of the canopy cocoon on the ground instead of folding the tail under the cocoon in front of the nose, like a propack) then psycho-bagged it backward (nose on the outside of the roll instead of the inside; the wolmari folding made that look like what I wanted) and got a very exciting opening! It came out of the bag (I know because I felt the PC collapse - tension came off my shoulders / I went back into total freefall) and waited about 2 whole seconds before it started inflating. I was almost done waiting and was reaching for my handles at that point. Shocked

But that super-exciting one was my fault, I think. Try it like other people show you and it should be fine. Goes in the bag really clean. (But I think we're supposed to have PC bridle extensions to reduce topskin wear when doing this.)


VoodooFreeFly  (D License)

Jul 4, 2004, 5:58 PM
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His thinking was probably that because you have to pull the bridal out of the canopy when it is rolled and place it on the side, that the canopy would start to develop friction burns. Unfortunately, not a lot of folks clear the bridal when they Psycho Pack. This was probably to prevent wear and tear.

When I first learned to Psycho Pack, the head Rigger @ my home dz made me a bridal extension for the top of my canopy to prevent friction burns. It worked great for the time that I was Psycho Packing. I would recommend taking the extension off if you aren't Psycho Packing though.

I believe that (1) as long as your lines are in the middle of the canopy, and are clear (2) the stabilizers are clear (3) and the slider is clear, your canopy will MOST likely open without any problems.

I have come to a conclusion when it comes to parachute openings......
PARACHUTES DON'T WANT TO BE IN THEIR BAGS, THEY WANT TO OPEN!!!



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