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Poll: Tandem Instructors: Student Upper Body Position at exit
Cross Arms and grab harness 22 / 35%
Right hand on right mudflap, Left hand on left mudflap 27 / 43%
Boxman position 6 / 10%
Other 8 / 13%
63 total votes
 
Premier PhreeZone  (D License)
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May 9, 2004, 5:48 PM
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What body position do you train your first jump students to use? Return students?

If you choose other please describe.


AggieDave  (D License)

May 9, 2004, 6:21 PM
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Arms holding on the student harness' MLW, not crossed. From what I've seen (in my limited experience), it helps promot a good arch (that and their head back), where as it seems that crossing their arms tends to help promote dearched positions.


Nightingale  (B 26984)

May 9, 2004, 7:33 PM
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my TM told me to cross my arms, but he didn't tell me to grab the harness.


skydog  (D 567)

May 10, 2004, 2:12 AM
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I am now in the habit of getting the student to put their hands together with their thumbs under the chest strap. Sort of like a praying positionAngelic, hands not grasped together.

That way their is less chance of them grabbing anything, as they still have the "security" of holding something on exit. Also their elbows are not stuck out if they hold onto the MLW.

Seems to work OK....

Bryn


Premier SkymonkeyONE  (D 12501)

May 10, 2004, 7:45 AM
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Sort of "Farmer John": not neccessarily "under" the mudflap, but below it with thumbs under the MLW. If I am doing cat B, then I will have them in the door just like my AFF students.


riggerrob  (D 14840)

May 10, 2004, 8:30 AM
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The important issue is tucking their elbows in so they don't whack the door frame on the King Air.
What they grab is insignificant.


Premier slotperfect  (D 13014)

May 10, 2004, 9:34 AM
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Quote:
Sort of "Farmer John": not neccessarily "under" the mudflap, but below it with thumbs under the MLW. If I am doing cat B, then I will have them in the door just like my AFF students.

I am exactly the same. I prefer this position to the crossed arms position.


skydiver30960  (D License)

May 14, 2004, 5:38 PM
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Cross arms but don't grab the mudflaps or MLW. If the grab on it's just that much harder to get them to let go. As soon as we're out the door, go to the boxman. If they forget (probably 50% of the time) assist them into the boxman.

Elvisio "tandems rock" Rodriguez


skydiverton  (D 123456789)

May 17, 2004, 5:44 AM
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Hand on harness (not x-ed), After droque and handle check to boxman


Voluptuosa  (C 2202)

May 17, 2004, 8:59 PM
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I like arms crossed for two reasons.

(1) When their arms are crossed and they tense up, they tend to grab onto themselves which makes them too preoccupied to grab me.

(2) And this is really my favourite reason... In King Air's or larger where you basically walk to the door, I have my passengers cross their arms long before we get to the door. If they are particularly nervous passengers, I put my hand over their shoulder and grab onto the top of their two crossed hands. This way, I not only make physical contact with them while saying a few last words of encouragement, but I hold their hand to their chest and that hand holds the other hand down and, voila! They can't grab the door.

Wink

Blue skies,
Charlene


peek  (D 8884)

May 18, 2004, 12:49 PM
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Like this [attached photo].

Thumbs up / smiling = not nervous / no need for extraordinary measures.

Head jammed back/hands tightly gripping (anything) = "time to be scared/oh-my-god, don't do anything wrong" position = tense on exit.

Hit elbows on King Air door? Not when I tell them to grab the side of the door and _pull us out_ when I say go/arch!

I teach them _skydiving_ exits, not passenger exits.
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lug  (D License)

May 18, 2004, 1:36 PM
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I like the student to cross their arms, be loose, and relaxed. I have not used hands on main lift webs, but I will. Just sitting at my desk and trying both positions of hand placement seems that having my hands over the MLW area spread my shoulders out more and seems more comfortable.

As for the upper level tandems the student set up at the door as close as possible to the AFF.


(This post was edited by lug on May 18, 2004, 1:39 PM)


riggerrob  (D 14840)

May 19, 2004, 7:30 AM
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Hit elbows on King Air door? Not when I tell them to grab the side of the door and _pull us out_ when I say go/arch!

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Students grabbing door frames or struts only slow me down.
That is why I prefer them to keep their hands - loose - on their chests until after we are outside the airplane.


Premier wmw999  (D 6296)

May 20, 2004, 2:05 PM
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I'm not a TI, but my dad was a tandem student who wasn't flexible enough to put one hand under each side of his harness.

So he stood in the door, holding on with one hand, trying to the other hand under the side of the harness, until the jumpmaster had to peel it off.

With older students, it might be worth while making sure they can do it with the harness tight, or making sure they're already holding on when they start walking down.

The video is pretty funny Sly

Wendy W.



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