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Viking  (B 30397)

Apr 10, 2001, 7:54 PM
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I have heard alot of terms for different malfunctions and was wondering if you guys could post up a list of all the Malfunctions you know about and also explain how they are caused, and what can be done to save your ass.
thanx



Iflyme  (B 4421)

Apr 10, 2001, 9:55 PM
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Viking, the Bossman has provided us with a worthy section on safety. I suggest you go there to study!

http://www.dropzone.com/safety/

Then come back and fire away any questions you still have!

Frank



lazerq3  (C -34113)

Apr 10, 2001, 10:21 PM
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Also if ya have $20.00 get the video BREAKAWAY. It shows all or should I say most common mals, how they occur, and how to deal with them.

jason



Viking  (B 30397)

Apr 10, 2001, 10:55 PM
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Iflyme:
i don't know if you ment to but you came off like your annoyed with me for not knowing every section of the website. if you ment to why? i was asking a newbie question there is no need to get nasty about it.



what42  (Student)

Apr 10, 2001, 11:08 PM
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It didn't sound to me like he was being nasty. I think he was just pointing you in the right direction then saying to ask any remaining questions afterward. Of course, I could easily be wrong.


Wesley
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I want to fly!


lazerq3  (C -34113)

Apr 11, 2001, 12:11 AM
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Naaahhh!!! Ifly wasnt being nasty hes a real good guy. Hes just helping ya out!!!no worries guyCool

jason



denaga

Apr 11, 2001, 1:50 AM
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I had 2-out situation on my jump 30. Pulled bellow 2000' and had FXC activated round reserve (it was a rented student rig). After pulling cut-away handle, right riser got snaged on something behind in container and a piece of cable. Anyway with partialy cut-away, tilted main i got in a pretty bad spin. So spinning, having one of the lines choking me a bit, i finaly got rid of the main at a bit less than 100' on my judgement(alti indicated zero). Anyways, i had pretty hard landing on that reserve.
Hope you learn the lesson from this: DON'T pull low if you are using AAD. You should pull 1000' above set activation altitude for student AAD.
-- Blue Skies ---



Iflyme  (B 4421)

Apr 11, 2001, 7:55 AM
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Sheesh... ya try to help a newbie by pointing him towards a useful resource, and ya get dumped on... Nasty? No, that wasn't nasty. You'll know when I'm being nasty.

Thanks for the good words Jason and Wesley...

Frank



miked10270  (D 10270)

Apr 11, 2001, 10:37 AM
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HI Denaga,

Just a suggestion regarding your dual-Deployment. As I understand it, the only time you should cut away in a Dual-Deployment is jumping Square-on-Square IF the canopies transition into a DownplaneShocked.

Square & round reserve = the main will fly into a "nose to earth" position & you will be suspended from your round reserve. Forget about steering - control will be VERY limited & via the reserve steering toggles.

Square / square in "Biplane" (one canopy behind the other) = steer GENTLY using front canopys toggles (main is comonly front canopy).

Square / square in side by side = steer GENTLY using main toggles.

Square / square in Downplane = cutaway main IMMEDIATELY regardless of height!!!!!

Be aware that either a biplane or (more likely) a side by side CAN transition into a downplane, particularly if you are not gentle with your steering input! SO... "Be prepared".

Mike D10270.



Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Apr 12, 2001, 2:01 PM
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>DON'T pull low if you are using AAD. You should pull
>1000' above set activation altitude for student AAD.

when i teach the first jump course, even our graduate course, i make it a point to never, ever tell someone that there is a time they shouldn't pull when they are low. if you find yourself low, for god's sakes get something over your head! reserve is great, but if you are like most skydivers, you've opened your main a lot and have never opened your reserve in freefall. if you fall into that category, open your main. you may get a dual deployment, but that's a whole lot better than landing with nothing out.

i was once on a dive where i suspected we might get low. i took a rig with a fast-opening main and no AAD. another jumper, a current AFF-JM with over 1000 jumps, took his stiletto and AAD-equipped rig. i asked him what he would do if he went low; he said he'd open his reserve.

we jumped; he went low. he opened his main at 1000 feet, and his AAD fired. he landed the resulting biplane without injury. here was a case where an instructor was warned he might go low, and thought about using his reserve just before the jump - and he still couldn't bring himself to open his reserve rather than his main.

if you can do better than he did, then that's great - your reserve is a better option than your main at that altitude. most people can open their mains faster and more reliably than their reserves, though, and that's often better than the alternative.

-bill von


SkySlut  (D License)

Apr 12, 2001, 2:04 PM
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I dont believe that there have been any documented deaths from 2 canopies out...have there??? I would rather have 2, than none!!! When in doubt...whip it out!!!

-Slut

"I'll jump anything!"


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Apr 12, 2001, 2:09 PM
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quick list of the most common ones:

totals:
-can't-find-the-handle (debatable whether that's a mal)
-hard pull
-'lost' PC or ripcord after pull

high speed:
-PC in tow
-bag lock
-streamer

low speed:
-lineover
-canopy damage
-line damage
-uncontrollable line twists (high performance canopies)

for all the above, we teach the same thing - cut away and open your reserve. often, experienced jumpers don't cut away from totals and/or PC-in-tows because they don't want to waste time and the cutaway handle will not release the main.

horseshoes are an odd problem where a part of your main is stuck on some part of you. in that case, we teach make one attempt to clear it, then cutaway/reserve.

minor canopy damage is a gray area - you may decide to keep the canopy if it has minor damage (small hole, one broken line that's not causing any mischief, etc.)

there's way more to it than that quick description, but them's the basics. as usual, rely on what your FJC instructor tells you, rather than anything you read on the net. (of course, in this case, i may end up _being_ your FJC instructor, but that still applies.)

-bill von


Viking  (B 30397)

Apr 12, 2001, 4:03 PM
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Thanx Bill Smile so you gonna be there Sunday doing more 9-ways? i love watching those things!!!! i don't even need my bino's especially when yall brake off and track away it looks BADASS!!!!



miked10270  (D 10270)

Apr 12, 2001, 11:13 PM
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Hi Bill, & welcome back.

DO you have any pics of dual deployments or malfunctions? I'm presently working on powerpoint presentations for FJCs & progression briefs (progression system)... But lacking a digital camera or a scanner I'm down to trawling the 'net & getting folk to mail me .jpgs.

Thanx in advance,

Mike D10270.



mountainman  (A License)

Apr 13, 2001, 10:28 AM
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IFLYME sez:
In reply to:
ya try to help a newbie by pointing him towards a useful resource, and ya get dumped on
Hey man, any help you give me is ALWAYS appreciated! I have talked a lot to VIKING and he's a cool dude. Sometimes typing just is harder to decypher(sp) than speech. But, hey, it's all good!

Blues

Brandon and Laura
http://home.woh.rr.com/brandonandlaura/
a work in progress


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Apr 13, 2001, 11:50 AM
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>DO you have any pics of dual deployments or malfunctions?

no stills, unfortunately, beyond the standard USPA training pictures. for my FJC i use a tape that has a bunch of odd malfunctions on it, including a broken riser, premature reserve deployment, dual deployment etc. it is now pretty old though.

-bill von


Viking  (B 30397)

Apr 13, 2001, 2:47 PM
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Thanx for the backup man Smile

Remember when Sex was safe and skydiving was Dangerous?


Aviatrr  (D 27349)

Apr 13, 2001, 9:13 PM
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In reply to:
I dont believe that there have been any documented deaths from 2 canopies out...have there??? I would rather have 2, than none!!!
I have only heard of one case of somebody being killed by trying to land 2 out.. Turned into a downplane around 200ft, and never took any corrective action.. I'll try to find the specifics - I don't recall it all offhand..

Of course, there have been people killed by getting two out, and trying to cutaway the main.. Some have ended up with main/reserve entanglement, and I believe one even had the RSL lines on a dual side RSL rig choke off the deployed (and fully inflated) reserve, then entangle..

In reply to:
When in doubt...whip it out!!!
Ya know, when I was taught that phrase during my FJC, I thought my JM was just giving me dating advice.. Imagine my suprise when, after quite a few doubtfull dates, somebody told me what it really means.. Shocked

Mike




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