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Pulling down Slider

 


pccoder  (A 43773)

Feb 22, 2004, 8:40 AM
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Ok, what is involved with pulling down the slider to even out the plane of the canopy? What are the effects? Why would/would not I want to do this?


tbrown  (D 6533)

Feb 22, 2004, 9:50 AM
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Pulling the slider down allows a canopy to sread out to its full natural size and shape. Swoopers do it to get the most out of their heavily loaded high performance (and sometimes cross braced) ellipticals.

But at 62 jumps, with a wing load of 1.06, you shouldn't be trying to pull your slider down. Right now you need to learn all you can about canopy control, so ask your instructors every question you can think of. Learn how to use your front and back risers, learn FLAT TURNS - they'll save your life sooner than you think.

Your main concern with your slider right now should be that it DOESN'T come down your risers at all. If you have the new "Slink" type wraparound connectors, you need to install stops on your risers (skinny risers anyway...). A slider partway down a riser can jam a steering line and was the probable cause of a death in the U.S. last year.

Anyway, your wing loading is too light to get much benefit from pulling your slider down. If, after a few hundred jumps you move on to a smaller, more heavily loaded elliptical and if you get into swooping, then you'll want to ask an instructor how to sfely get your slider down.


FrogNog  (C 34484)

Feb 22, 2004, 2:34 PM
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A slider partway down a riser can jam a steering line and was the probable cause of a death in the U.S. last year.

I think more accurately it was "a probably contributing factor in a death...". (Sure, poe-tay-toe, puh-tah-toe.)


pccoder  (A 43773)

Feb 22, 2004, 2:36 PM
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Thanks for the advice on being careful under canopy, but I wasn't asking for that. I just wanted to know how it is done, the physical act, so I can better understand the equipment. I fly very well under canopy and land very close to where I want most all the time. I don't attempt high performance landings and have no intention. Just trying to better understand the gear.


Blahr

Feb 22, 2004, 2:50 PM
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You need mini-rings and type 17 risers to pull the slider down over them.

If you have the larger rings and risers like I do, you cant pull the slider down.
I just collapse mine and pull the rear slider grommets over the top of the rear risers to keep the slider quiet Cool


Jimbo  (D License)

Feb 22, 2004, 3:34 PM
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I just wanted to know how it is done, the physical act, so I can better understand the equipment.

Collapse slider. Pull it down. Release brakes. Once you get the chance to see all of the equipment you'll realize that it's really quite simple.

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I fly very well under canopy and land very close to where I want most all the time. I don't attempt high performance landings and have no intention.

Be careful. Those are famous last words. Really.

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Jim


riddler  (D 10234)

Feb 22, 2004, 4:13 PM
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billvon has a good post on this, and there is a lot of good information in the follow-up posts.

Like hooknswoop tells me - if you have rapide links and/or wide (2") risers, get slider bumpers and leave the slider up. If you have soft links and mini risers, (1") pull it down (being careful to not pop the toggle off) and stow it behind your head.

Side note - I don't know if it will make much of a performance difference on a 170 loaded just over 1. But it least it doesn't make that annoying flapping noise Smile


(This post was edited by riddler on Feb 22, 2004, 4:21 PM)


pccoder  (A 43773)

Feb 23, 2004, 4:03 AM
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I knew you'd say something about my comment about flying well under canopy. I was thinking I would hear something the momment I wrote it. I'm not bragging, don't want to. Just saying a fact, I don't have a lot of trouble with canopy flying. It's been one of the more fun aspects of skydiving for me. Thanks for all the info; was just curious. And like I said I won't be doing it anyway.


piisfish

Feb 23, 2004, 5:22 AM
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collapsing the slider is already good, you'll avoid most of the noise. To pull it down, just grab and pull... I do 1st the 2 front grommets, then the 2 rear ones. Take care not to pop out the toggles, and if you do so, be careful not to get everything entangled. Better to have a slider above the risers than a big knot with everything and chop-chop.



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