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RiggerLee

Aug 11, 2017, 12:22 PM
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I didn't know if I should post it here or in skydiving. Right now it's more on the horizon then a product and there have been some similar threads here in rigging.

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/08/08/revolutionary-new-zero1-football-helmet-may-help-nfl-players-reduce-concussions.html

I always said we would be better off if we put the Styrofoam "padding" of the helmet on the out side and the hard "shell" on the end side next to your head. I think this is the first case of any one actually doing that.

Lee


councilman24  (D 8631)

Aug 11, 2017, 1:04 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/...uce-concussions.html


mrubin  (D License)

Aug 11, 2017, 1:27 PM
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Would that be good for multiple impacts or would it deform on the first hard hit and need to be replaced?


RiggerLee

Aug 11, 2017, 2:02 PM
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This football helmet might be good for multiple impacts. What I was suggesting, what is common in most high end helmets is that they are retired after one good hit. The outer surface cracks like an egg crushing in. The whole helmet is sacrificial. To the point of, don't drop it. If the foam was more like the old liners just on the out side, or the polyethylene version of Styrofoam, then it might be more resilient.

Lee


JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Aug 11, 2017, 2:12 PM
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Hi mrubin,

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deform on the first hard hit and need to be replaced?

I recall a news item on that helmet about a month or so ago on NBC News.

At that time IIRC is was a 'one & done.'

Jerry Baumchen


sundevil777  (D License)

Aug 11, 2017, 6:09 PM
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JerryBaumchen wrote:
Hi mrubin,

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deform on the first hard hit and need to be replaced?

I recall a news item on that helmet about a month or so ago on NBC News.

At that time IIRC is was a 'one & done.'

Jerry Baumchen

If what was being discussed was a motorcycle helmet, that would be reasonable. For a football helmet, that doesn't seem likely.


JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Aug 11, 2017, 6:24 PM
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Hi Cliff,

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doesn't seem likely

For me, the governing term was: the first hard hit

Now, of course we could write a 17 page description of what a 'hard hit' is; but, I doubt that would further the discussion.

Jerry Baumchen


hardhatpat  (B 43397)

Aug 11, 2017, 7:23 PM
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hard hit
Seems like a term the FAA would use...


ChrisD2.0

Aug 14, 2017, 7:59 AM
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RiggerLee wrote:
I didn't know if I should post it here or in skydiving. Right now it's more on the horizon then a product and there have been some similar threads here in rigging.

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/08/08/revolutionary-new-zero1-football-helmet-may-help-nfl-players-reduce-concussions.html

I always said we would be better off if we put the Styrofoam "padding" of the helmet on the out side and the hard "shell" on the end side next to your head. I think this is the first case of any one actually doing that.

Lee

Looks like a bit of those Dr. Sholes gel things for your feet, for your head? Actually for those that Climb Rocks or Trees, most all climbing helmets do in fact have the frangible material on the outside now. Or the whole thing is frangible. AND yes take a hard hit and you have to replace the whole thing. And they an't cheep either. Thanks for the post, I didn't know footballers were doing this.


councilman24  (D 8631)

Aug 14, 2017, 2:50 PM
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Do you have an example of such a rock climbing helmet? A quick search only found one that eliminated the hard ABS or polycarbonite shell and was just the foam liner with the suspension system. Didn't find any with crushable outer layer and hard inner or middle layer.


Slimrn  (D 36404)

Aug 14, 2017, 4:01 PM
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My Petzl Meteor+ is like this. Ultralight weight. One hit and it is done but as long as it protects my brain I call it a win.


councilman24  (D 8631)

Aug 14, 2017, 4:16 PM
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Still has a hard shell. Polycarbonate. If you meant one hit and done any helmet with expanded rigid foam interior is like that.


yoink

Aug 14, 2017, 7:49 PM
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councilman24 wrote:
Do you have an example of such a rock climbing helmet? A quick search only found one that eliminated the hard ABS or polycarbonite shell and was just the foam liner with the suspension system. Didn't find any with crushable outer layer and hard inner or middle layer.

Yeah - The only one I can think of is the old Petzl Sirocco, and even that is EEP all the way through I think. No soft / hard layers. https://www.rei.com/...ight-climbing-helmet

I think the new version of that one now has a polycarbonate piece on the outside top too, although I haven't seen one in person.
http://gripped.com/...is-light-and-strong/

Don't pay too much attentions to posts by ChrisD - he does have a history of posting about stuff he doesn't actually know anything about. Maybe he's changed, maybe not.
http://www.dropzone.com/..._reply;so=ASC;mh=25;


(This post was edited by yoink on Aug 14, 2017, 9:01 PM)



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