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Injury - Lake Wales, FL - March 2014

 


Premier PhreeZone  (D License)
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Mar 14, 2014, 8:53 AM
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I've had a few people ask and I have no details on this:

Jumper suffered broken femurs during a landing at Lake Wales in the last week.

Anyone have any details on it?


devildog  (C 40302)

Mar 14, 2014, 1:50 PM
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Dropped / broken toggle from what I understand, but that's second hand FWIW.


parachutist  (D 25468)

Mar 14, 2014, 7:09 PM
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Like Devildog says, story is the jumper dropped a toggle. I don't think anyone watched this landing closely enough to see what happened before the impact. I watched his landing on the previous load and it was a smooth swoop, dragging toes through the grass for quite a distance, then he stood it up nicely. He looked like he knew what he was doing to me. Locals say he's been jumping this same Velo 103 for over a year (I don't know how many jumps). My guess on the WL is around 2.1 after seeing his height & build. I was there holding the canopy over him for shade while waiting for the ambulance to arrive, but I don't know him, and he didn't seem very interested in talking at that time, so I didn't ask for details. I hope he heals up fast.


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Mar 15, 2014, 7:22 PM
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devildog wrote:
Dropped / broken toggle from what I understand, but that's second hand FWIW.
Dropped toggles have maimed and killed a lot of people. I'm not a swooper. Do some of the approach maneuvers require letting go of one or both toggles? Most of the swoopers I watch seem to have all 4 fingers thru the toggles, even if just using the rear risers initially.






diablopilot  (D License)

Mar 17, 2014, 9:22 AM
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My experience is that toggle get dropped when pilots use the same 4 fingers for their dive loops that they have in the toggle. My method is to only use my first two fingers in the dive loop thus letting me keep the 3rd and 4th fingers hooked around the toggle.


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Mar 17, 2014, 1:20 PM
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diablopilot wrote:
My experience is that toggle get dropped when pilots use the same 4 fingers for their dive loops that they have in the toggle. My method is to only use my first two fingers in the dive loop thus letting me keep the 3rd and 4th fingers hooked around the toggle.
Exactly. Cool

It was this year or last year there was a fatality down in Texas, a guy my age on a Stiletto 150, my canopy, that was caused by dropping a toggle. I've long taught and now the USPA recommends exactly the technique you're saying.


jacketsdb23  (D 29802)

Mar 17, 2014, 4:19 PM
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Something else to keep in mind...if you are doing it right, toggles shouldn't be used to stop the dive (keep you from hitting the ground). A smooth recovery arc would have the canopy recovering on its own with some extended glide with rear risers before going to toggles.

Obviously this takes a lot of practice and I see some people who regularly use toggles to stop a dive (and it scares me!).

Hope this jumper heals up quick.


format  (B 15348)

Mar 18, 2014, 1:56 PM
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jacketsdb23 wrote:
...if you are doing it right, toggles shouldn't be used to stop the dive (keep you from hitting the ground)
"Jerking rears or toggles" is just a tool if you're in too deep.
Being on the edge is the goal (I guess)



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