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napvid  (A License)

Mar 13, 2014, 5:55 AM
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Power line strike Skydive Sebastian Can't Post

http://www.wptv.com/...ives-with-just-burns


napvid  (A License)

Mar 13, 2014, 6:16 AM
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An interview with the jumper involved.

http://www.wpbf.com/...4935846#mid=18599156


piisfish

Mar 13, 2014, 8:13 AM
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he followed the rules ? by jumping from his harness ? Shocked


evan85  (C 41367)

Mar 13, 2014, 8:23 AM
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piisfish wrote:
he followed the rules ? by jumping from his harness ? Shocked

From the pictures in the article, the rig hanging from the power lines without the weight of the jumper in the harness was only a few feet from the ground. With the jumper's weight it would have been even lower. What would you have done?


hcsvader  (E 2952)

Mar 13, 2014, 8:36 AM
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Why does it look as tho the reserve pilot chute has been deployed?


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normiss  (D 28356)

Mar 13, 2014, 8:39 AM
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Been terrified that I could possibly ground myself and die being that close to the ground with high tension lines still attached to me.
If I wasn't convinced I could clearly separate from the harness, stay put and wait for help while screaming at idiots to NOT touch me!
Don't fly into power lines people.


piisfish

Mar 13, 2014, 8:43 AM
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evan85 wrote:
piisfish wrote:
he followed the rules ? by jumping from his harness ? Shocked

From the pictures in the article, the rig hanging from the power lines without the weight of the jumper in the harness was only a few feet from the ground. With the jumper's weight it would have been even lower. What would you have done?
hadn't seen the pictures. In that case Ithink I would have cutaway my main, much faster than getting out of the harness


Jbag  (D License)

Mar 13, 2014, 9:33 AM
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normiss wrote:
Been terrified that I could possibly ground myself and die being that close to the ground with high tension lines still attached to me.
If I wasn't convinced I could clearly separate from the harness, stay put and wait for help while screaming at idiots to NOT touch me!
Don't fly into power lines people.

Sounds to me like he was pretty convinced he could separate from the harness. I like your idea to panic, please tell us more about what you would do in other situations.

your post has no value.


Boogers

Mar 13, 2014, 9:57 AM
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Landing location map, aerial view (purple pin).

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Boogers

Mar 13, 2014, 10:00 AM
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piisfish wrote:
he followed the rules ? by jumping from his harness ? Shocked

Quote:
"He followed the rules and did exactly what he was supposed to, and that's why he ended up being safe,"

Yeah, I'm wondering exactly what rules they're referring to.


Scrumpot  (D License)

Mar 13, 2014, 10:28 AM
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hcsvader wrote:
Why does it look as tho the reserve pilot chute has been deployed?

Because it clearly HAS BEEN! Shocked

My guess... The jumper, now dangling either right at, or close to tippy-toes being at ground level, decides to cut-away - and what you see here is launch of his reserve PC as he drops away just far enough for his RSL to pull the reserve pin. Crazy - - No doubt, this is what also caused his resultant burns (reported) as he now "completes the circuit" from the wires to the ground... Leaving him no other choice but to now get himself out of the harness... or, fry! Pirate

"Lucky Day" for this jumper indeed. But certainly NOT because he "followed all the rules" Unsure - from the looks of it, at least.

FWIW.


(This post was edited by Scrumpot on Mar 13, 2014, 10:30 AM)


craddock  (D 22750)

Mar 13, 2014, 10:31 AM
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Re: [Boogers] Power line strike Skydive Sebastian [In reply to] Can't Post

Wow. Now that's a bad spot! Where were the other jumpers on the load?

Now.. I have seen the winds change more than once to nasty.

No mention here if this was a single wind event or the edge of a system?

But this jumper landed off alone? Last out solo? Open at 4k gives alot of time. Either way glad he is ok. If there was a lesson to be learned I am sure he learned it. Interesting he climbed out.

Having never had an RSL I would have chopped even though it is not what we teach


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Scrumpot  (D License)

Mar 13, 2014, 10:36 AM
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hcsvader wrote:
Why does it look as tho the reserve pilot chute has been deployed?

Electrical current could have possibly even fired his AAD as well. Just yet another possibility - again, just strictly based solely upon the picture shown anyway.


Premier skydiverek  (C 41769)

Mar 13, 2014, 10:38 AM
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Scrumpot wrote:
hcsvader wrote:
Why does it look as tho the reserve pilot chute has been deployed?

Because it clearly HAS BEEN! Shocked

My guess... The jumper, now dangling either right at, or close to tippy-toes being at ground level, decides to cut-away - and what you see here is launch of his reserve PC as he drops away just far enough for his RSL to pull the reserve pin. Crazy

Had he cutaway, the rig would be on the ground, not in the air.





yoink

Mar 13, 2014, 11:33 AM
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craddock wrote:
Having never had an RSL I would have chopped even though it is not what we teach

umm. What?

You know it's not the recommended procedure but you'd choose to do something other anyway?

Quality decision making skills on show there... Crazy


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parkair  (D 33246)

Mar 13, 2014, 11:44 AM
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Guys, the reserve is out because the electricity melted the reserve pin allowing the reserve to fire. The lines were 'hot' still when the power company showed up. He did elect to get out of his harness and he stated that he was off the ground and fell free from the harness before touching the ground. He did NOT cut-away, rig was still attached to the risers and canopy when he got it back to thee DZ.Very lucky no matter how you look at it. Also, that spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue. First load aka dummy load of the day.


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Doug_Davis  (B 40488)

Mar 13, 2014, 11:45 AM
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Shocked Holy cow! That power line the rig is hanging from looks like its less than system height off the ground. That dude is super lucky he didnt create a circuit with the ground!

I wonder if his suspension lines melted onto the power line? And thats why he didnt come all the way down? Because otherwise it looks like his main is just draped over the power lines.


craddock  (D 22750)

Mar 13, 2014, 12:01 PM
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yoink wrote:


umm. What?

You know it's not the recommended procedure but you'd choose to do something other anyway?

Quality decision making skills on show there... Crazy


Huh? Nice condescending comments there. So what is the recommended procedure do you have that I would have broke? Add something rather than only criticize what others do are wrong?

If he was able to climb out of the rig he was very low and a cutaway would not result in an extended fall. If he was already on the ground than different story anyway. In teaching students we have taught to wait if you are suspended and not let anyone touch you until professionals arrive. Don't want students cutting away from misjudged height or having the rsl come into factor in a particular situation. Someone mentioned the rsl coming into play so he must have been at least somewhat suspended. Hard to teach in FJC to do different things depending on how far suspended off the ground you are. Now again if he was on the ground that would be different but then the post of the rsl completing the circuit would be incorrect, not would it deploy the reserve.

Many instructors teach using both hands for cutaway followed by both hands to for reserve deployment but how many of those instructors have actually used a single hand on each during emergency procedures? If your such a qualified expert to ridicule, why not offer advice.

I was under the impression that he was low enough to be in close contact the ground based on the fact that it was mentioned he crawled out of the rig. Why and the hell would I want to sit there attached to it then?

And yes. I do MANY things different than we teach. We all do.

So what are these recommended procedures you would like me to live by?


craddock  (D 22750)

Mar 13, 2014, 12:05 PM
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parkair wrote:
Also, that spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue. First load aka dummy load of the day.

Hmm. Interesting. Thank you for the post though. Nice to have good info like that, even if we have to disagree about whether it was actually a good spot and the winds were just off.

Wink


Southern_Man  (C License)

Mar 13, 2014, 12:21 PM
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parkair wrote:
Guys, the reserve is out because the electricity melted the reserve pin allowing the reserve to fire.

Melted the reserve pin? Hmmm, I'm just gonna say I'm skeptical of that one.


yeyo  (D 32048)

Mar 13, 2014, 12:24 PM
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I was on the load, on a different group that made it to the landing area.
The reserve deployed because the heat cut the closing loop. It got so hot, the reserve pin fused to the grommet.
All his group landed out.

edit: sorry for repeting what parkair said, i didnt read.


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parkair  (D 33246)

Mar 13, 2014, 12:28 PM
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Ok, correction, the reserve pin WAS melted to the grommet. The reserve wire melted through allowing deployment. Terminology is strict on here, I just wanted to set some things straight. And, no comment on the spot. It was just on the downwind side. Winds were stronger as the front came in.


(This post was edited by parkair on Mar 13, 2014, 12:46 PM)


DougH  (D License)

Mar 13, 2014, 1:09 PM
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Some of my friends are in Sebastian right now.

They have been posting all the fun things that they are doing outside of the DZ because it was gusty as hell.

Sounds like the miscalculation occurred when this jumper decided to board the plane today!


councilman24  (D 8631)

Mar 13, 2014, 2:19 PM
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For setting things straight you're sure confusing.Crazy I know what a reserve loop, pin and cable is but not a reserve wire. From previous post I assume hot pin pin both fused to grommet and melted the loop.
And ANY spot that is on the downwind side is a bad spot unless there is a particular reason to get out downwind with very light winds. Being the "dummy" load doesn't excuse not being on the upwind side of the airport. Just because we get away with it isn't a reason.


craddock  (D 22750)

Mar 13, 2014, 2:37 PM
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How many loads went up today? I did get my first ever sig on any forum out of this.


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