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altichick  (D 28146)

Jan 16, 2014, 3:50 AM
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https://www.facebook.com/...ink/574331402652616/

I don't know any details but I'm sharing as he's a friend of mine & it sounds like he's in a prety bad way. His friends / family are trying to raise funds to get him to NZ where the standard of care is better & hopefully they can carry out the surgery necessary.


verticalflyer  (D 11313)

Jan 16, 2014, 2:16 PM
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I take it the jumper chose to jump overseas with no insurance then. Glad not a fatal but why are people prepared to spend large amounts on gear and holidays but not the tiny amount on insurance? Glad no one else was hurt. From the media articles all over the net which make a big deal about how experienced this jumper was and what a special canopy he was jumping and how a toggle was dropped this sounds like a swoop gone wrong but will wait for the real info. I hope he heals fast but please people get insurance.


joeybee  (C 41107)

Jan 16, 2014, 2:21 PM
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Can you or anyone else tell me where to get insurance that will get you home from out of state (USA) or from overseas that covers SKYDIVING?


zoobrothertom  (D 9397)

Jan 16, 2014, 2:23 PM
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joeybee wrote:
Can you or anyone else tell me where to get insurance that will get you home from out of state (USA) or from overseas that covers SKYDIVING?

Maybe not skydiving but take a look around for repatriation insurance or something like that. Happy hunting!


verticalflyer  (D 11313)

Jan 16, 2014, 2:33 PM
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joeybee wrote:
Can you or anyone else tell me where to get insurance that will get you home from out of state (USA) or from overseas that covers SKYDIVING?

Takes about 5 seconds on google but Harrison Beaumont and multiple other companies provide worldwide insurance and for experienced and professional jumpers not simply tandems. It not diificult and means all repatriation and medical costs and even kit damage loss of earnings can be covered. www.skycover.co.uk do worldwide multi jump insurance with up to 10,000,000 cover including repatriation globally.


(This post was edited by verticalflyer on Jan 16, 2014, 2:41 PM)


grimmie  (D 18890)

Jan 16, 2014, 3:06 PM
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http://medjetassist.com/

I have this on my entire family for $350 per year. You can buy less expensive coverage that is good for a short period of time. Medjet assist is for US citizens.

I always urge jumpers traveling overseas to get in on something like this. DAN insurance will only get you to the closest hospital that can help you.

And like everything, read the small print and ask questions.

You can also buy insurance coverage for helicopter evacuation flights in the US. I have a policy with REACH AIR for $65 per year. They have a bird based at my DZ.


ufk22  (D 16168)

Jan 16, 2014, 3:25 PM
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no, from his facebook page I think he is living/working as TI there in Fiji.
Appears to have spiral fracture.
Another swoop gone wrong???


lyosha  (A License)

Jan 16, 2014, 5:05 PM
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joeybee wrote:
Can you or anyone else tell me where to get insurance that will get you home from out of state (USA) or from overseas that covers SKYDIVING?

What about the $100,000 that's included with a couple of my credit cards? Is there an anti-skydiving rider attached?


ActionAir  (D License)

Jan 16, 2014, 6:34 PM
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Diver Alert Network "DAN".
Membership includes emergency medical evacuation from anywhere in the world.


vitriol  (C License)

Jan 16, 2014, 6:45 PM
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For Canadians Travel Underwriters are really cheap and cover pretty much everything except car racing and professionals. So if you are not doing the sport professionnaly, thay are good for skydiving, base, cave diving, or any other sport that's hard to find insurance for. They also cover helicopter/plane medical evacuation if necessary.

It costs me around 85$ a year, with a limit on 35 days out of the country at a time (but as many times as I want). Last year a did one trip that was 42 days and it cost me an extra 8$.

There really is no reason to travel without insurance... Last month in florida one guy broke his neck and had no insurance. Imagine the nightmare. At some point he wanted to fly back to Canada with only a neck brace to avoid surgery in the US.Crazy


SoCalJumper  (D License)

Jan 16, 2014, 7:32 PM
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joeybee wrote:
Can you or anyone else tell me where to get insurance that will get you home from out of state (USA) or from overseas that covers SKYDIVING?

http://www.lonelyplanet.com/travel-insurance/

https://global.ihi.com/...Buy+Single+trip.aspx


mpreil  (D 17822)

Jan 16, 2014, 7:55 PM
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DAN is a great network and I was tempted to hold them up as an example, but I thought their coverage was limited to accidents on that other kind of diving trip. I was a member for several years when I used to scuba dive and agree it's a great organization and excellent coverage (which I am happy to say I never needed).


grimmie  (D 18890)

Jan 16, 2014, 8:05 PM
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ActionAir wrote:
Diver Alert Network "DAN".
Membership includes emergency medical evacuation from anywhere in the world.

They will fly you to the closest hospital that can help you, but not back to your own country. From their website...


The really fine print...

DAN TravelAssist will not pay Transportation to
transport the Member or Covered Family Member
to their place of permanent residence if there are
closer medical facilities which are capable of
attending to the Members medical condition


Premier NWFlyer  (D 29960)

Jan 16, 2014, 8:43 PM
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So, uh, cool discussion on insurance, too little too late for this guy.

Anyone know what happened in the actual incident?

Edit to add the one link I could find via google and a quote (it's news media, take it for what its worth...):

http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/...56-detail/story.html

Quote:
Ben Cornick, who was born in Neath and raised in Pentrechwyth, was doing a sky dive over the South Pacific island on Tuesday, when he lost control of his steering toggle, and collided with a parked van at 40mph.

He was wearing a specialist parachute, only used by very experienced sky divers.


(This post was edited by NWFlyer on Jan 16, 2014, 8:59 PM)


JohnnyBoulder

Jan 16, 2014, 8:49 PM
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Yes - someone please provide the details on the incident so we can learn from the experience. I read on Blue Skies they were able to get him back to Auckland.


Greig474  (D 1031)

Jan 17, 2014, 3:35 AM
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he attempted what was most likely meant to be a 270 degree swoop (the way he normally lands) which was started too low, he seemed to decide to bail out of the turn at around 180 degrees but this sent him in the direction of the skydive van, as he released his front risers he lost his left toggle and it looks like he ended up with his rear risers and right toggle in his hands (hard to say from what i have seen of the footage) there was a narrow gap between the van and the trees (van was on his left, trees were on his right) but he ended up catching his lines on the back door of the van (which was open). it looks like this swung him towards the inside of the van and he hit his leg against the rear bumper (which would have caused the 3 breaks in the femur). he then hit the ground and rolled, several lines were broken on his canopy. It was not the sort of mistake i would have thought he would make because he is normally a very conservative and very skilled jumper. lessons so far to be gained from this from what i can think of is

A - when pulling on front risers, only use 2 fingers to grip front risers so you still have a firm grip of toggles with other 2 fingers when u release risers. (all four fingers were right through toggles and front risers together, i am unaware if he normally does this)

B - keep any obstacles out of landing areas despite experience levels of jumpers (usually the van is not in the landing area, there was also still a whole lot more room in the landing area than ben is used to as this isn't usually the DZs first choice of landing area, the more regular one is less than half the size)

C - it does appear he still had a few options to avoid hitting the van or the ground when he realized he was too low but i'll leave this for more experienced swoopers to comment on when the footage is released.

It also appears from the footage that he got object fixation but again this is not a mistake i think he would make so i may be wrong.

the footage will probably be released in a week or so, so i'm sure there will be more that others can add when it is released.

canopy was a vengeance 109 i believe


(This post was edited by Greig474 on Jan 17, 2014, 3:41 AM)


Greig474  (D 1031)

Jan 17, 2014, 3:48 AM
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if there is anyone who wants to donate to his medical fees it would be much appreciated. you can do so by clicking the link in the first post of this thread


fcajump  (D 15598)

Jan 17, 2014, 4:18 AM
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NWFlyer wrote:
So, uh, cool discussion on insurance, too little too late for this guy.

Anyone know what happened in the actual incident?

While I was also looking forward to the details of the accident (thanks), I think the discussion on insurance is also warrented here... In both cases we're discussing the lessons that can be learned from his accident and situation. Any lesson learned here (swoop/toggle/riser/van/insurance) is too late to help this individual at this point.

I hope for a good recovery and that he get the assistance (medical/monitary/instructional) that he needs to return.

Meanwhile, I appreciate hearing ALL lessons that can be learned from this.

JW




danornan  (D 11308)

Jan 17, 2014, 6:31 AM
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zoobrothertom wrote:
joeybee wrote:
Can you or anyone else tell me where to get insurance that will get you home from out of state (USA) or from overseas that covers SKYDIVING?

Maybe not skydiving but take a look around for repatriation insurance or something like that. Happy hunting!

Check out DAN, Divers Alert Network. Mostly SCUBA, but it also covers other activities. Motorcycle Group can also bring you and your bike back.. Lots out there.








Greig474  (D 1031)

Jan 17, 2014, 4:29 PM
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k folks one lesson i didn't add

D - swooping is dangerous

can we keep the signal to noise ratio level a little higher and keep this thread useful please.


ufk22  (D 16168)

Jan 18, 2014, 11:09 AM
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So, if we talk about the rumor that the chief instructor had told him he shouldn't be jumping that type of HP canopy at that DZ, signal or noise?
If we talk about how this guy, who you can't believe could make "these types of mistakes", did make them, signal or noise?
Or is any discussion other than something that will help with the "this would never happen to me because I can learn not to make that mistake" only noise?
I'm sure he's a great guy, but he chose to do this, in a place with poor medical facilities, with a child to support, evidently against the advice of his boss.
Swooping does add an unnecessary risk to skydiving. It's fun, it's exciting, but there are already major DZ's that prohibit turns over 90 on final, and there will probably be a lot more that do over time. I have a lot of respect for dedicated snoopers, but most of us really shouldn't be doing this.


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