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Coat.

Dec 12, 2013, 12:14 AM
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Hello,

I have recently attempted my AFF stage 6 but will have to redo the jump due to unstable exit with my legs up my bum (need to push them out more) which caused backsliding and a bit of panic throughout the jump. I will be doing a lot of ground training to improve my arch and legs.

The thing is, the next few (and last) weekends of December I am unable to jump due to family occasions and what not - being near Christmas and all. I won't be able to redo my AFF 6 until January, and that gap is a concern to me. When I had done my AFF 5 jump, it had been a month and a week gap but I still had passed that stage.

I think there was a lot of reasons I failed that stage. Due to it being an unlinked exit, with a new/different JM, not correct leg position and the past 2 jumps previous were out of a smaller airplane. The smaller plane had a foot step, which might change my exit position.

But my main question is, do you think that gap between when I last jumped (which was the 7th of this month). For me to jump again in January, that would be a month and a week (the same gap as I had between AFF 4 & 5). I'm not sure what to make of this. Has anyone else confronted this problem?


BIGUN  (D 23385)

Dec 12, 2013, 4:27 AM
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Ya know, the holidays have enough going on... Why don't you put this on the back burner and discuss it with your Instructors when you get back.

Even if they say you are good to go... If it makes you feel more comfortable; you can always choose to revert back to level 5 on your own and then move forward.

Have a good holiday..


lyosha  (A License)

Dec 12, 2013, 5:17 AM
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When I was going through levels I had an involuntary wait of 3-4 weeks once or twice (weather at DZ historically not student friendly...). Here's what I observed:

First jump of the day you will be rusty, but I was fine after that. When I got to solos, first jump of the day I would relax, arch and just "go down the tube", so to say and enjoy the foliage. When I got the feeling back and stopped resembling a piece of plywood falling through the air, I would do some light tracking or something for the remainder of the jump. Try to string together 4-6 jumps in a single day if you can. If you don't succeed at a level, that just means you weren't ready to move on and needed an extra jump to knock the rust off, which is fine. Just remember - you're not the first person to not succeed on a level because of rust - I didn't get stable enough on one of my levels to get released following a layover. I fixed the things my instructor told me to do and redid the level that same day and passed. Once you get to solos you can go at your own pace and should be good.

Hope this helps. Cheers.


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ChrisD  (No License)

Dec 13, 2013, 4:58 AM
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Coat. wrote:
Hello,

I have recently attempted my AFF stage 6 but will have to redo the jump due to unstable exit with my legs up my bum (need to push them out more) which caused backsliding and a bit of panic throughout the jump. I will be doing a lot of ground training to improve my arch and legs.

The thing is, the next few (and last) weekends of December I am unable to jump due to family occasions and what not - being near Christmas and all. I won't be able to redo my AFF 6 until January, and that gap is a concern to me. When I had done my AFF 5 jump, it had been a month and a week gap but I still had passed that stage.

I think there was a lot of reasons I failed that stage. Due to it being an unlinked exit, with a new/different JM, not correct leg position and the past 2 jumps previous were out of a smaller airplane. The smaller plane had a foot step, which might change my exit position.

But my main question is, do you think that gap between when I last jumped (which was the 7th of this month). For me to jump again in January, that would be a month and a week (the same gap as I had between AFF 4 & 5). I'm not sure what to make of this. Has anyone else confronted this problem?

Smile

Dude, I really want you to work on your attitudeSmile

You didn't "fail" a level !!!

And secondly anytime you get to jump and have a blast that's a good thing!

Just keep in touch with your instructors so that everyone knows it's been a month between jumps, get some practice in and start focusing on all of the good stuff that yo have done!

These are all skill building exercises.

So next time we can work on remembering to point your toes out and trying to get the feel of some pressure on your legs.

It's all good dude....

C

Smile


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Dec 13, 2013, 11:28 AM
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Quit being so hard on yourself.
Any jump you walk away from is a good jump.

When you return to jumping in January, just remind your instructors about your lengthy lay-off and ask them to do a complete review of freefall, landing patterns, reserve procedures, etc.


DrDom  (Student)

Dec 13, 2013, 4:28 PM
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I'm with the guys above... its NOT failure. Failure is denting the earth. You just "did not perform to standard" which is NOTHING to feel bad about. The sport is inherently unnatural and if you were good at everything you just took up... well... you'd be rich, famous, and on magazine covers.

I can't help but agree that instead of trying to jam back into it and have to keep getting current you could take a little tunnel time? Then you could make your body position a little more natural and get back to the sky.

Anyhow, no matter what you do, you did not FAIL anything... you're progressing in an extremely difficult and technical sport. I call that a success.


Coat.

Dec 17, 2013, 8:11 PM
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Thank you for all your advice.

I have the opportunity to jump this Saturday but deep down, I have a feeling I should wait until January. I think taking a break for a bit should be good.

After my last AFF 6 jump, I've been having trouble sleeping and I have been a lot more anxious lately. I have a 'rushed' feeling, as if I need to get the next jump done and over with. I've talked to my instructor, and he said he won't be at the dropzone until January either - so he is fine with that.

I just have to overcome the 'fear' I may have.


Premier rwieder  (C 32349)

Dec 17, 2013, 10:19 PM
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I just have to overcome the 'fear' I may have.

You can do that by jumping every chance you get. Don't put it off any longer! The more you jump, the more confidence you will build for your self. Hey, best wishes to you for everything you do! Take care, be safe.

Best-
Richard
IHS


FlyingRhenquest  (B 37920)

Dec 17, 2013, 10:28 PM
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rwieder wrote:
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I just have to overcome the 'fear' I may have.

You can do that by jumping every chance you get. Don't put it off any longer! The more you jump, the more confidence you will build for your self. Hey, best wishes to you for everything you do! Take care, be safe.

Best-
Richard
IHS

Yeah, I always had better results when I did more than one jump in a day. The first one kind of woke me up and then everything on the next couple would be much easier.


NPower  (C License)

Dec 18, 2013, 4:43 AM
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Coat. wrote:
After my last AFF 6 jump, I've been having trouble sleeping and I have been a lot more anxious lately. I have a 'rushed' feeling, as if I need to get the next jump done and over with. I've talked to my instructor, and he said he won't be at the dropzone until January either - so he is fine with that.

I just have to overcome the 'fear' I may have.

You're not alone. I didn't sleep for almost a whole week doing my AFF stages. My mind just became restless. I was ready to throw in the towel a couple of times. 30 jumps later and I feel quite relaxed jumping, but I am still not getting great sleep the night after a jump, but it's improving. Hang in there.


Scrumpot  (D License)

Dec 18, 2013, 9:32 AM
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I've talked to my instructor, and he said he won't be at the dropzone until January either - so he is fine with that.

You have only one instructor available/possible?

As an AFF instructor, as much as I was ever flattered by any of my students ever saying: "I only want to jump with you" -or- "only when you're available"... I would highly discourage that, and always actually in fact rather - suggest and encourage they jump as well, at least at some time during their progression - with other instructors too!

I would encourage you to do the same as well. Unless for some very specific reason, it is highly impractical. Or for you specifically, has been counter advised.


.Michael.

Mar 11, 2014, 1:05 AM
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I'm having a similar issue.

I haven't jumped in around 4-5 months and I'm worried about how I will perform. Since my last jump, that didn't go exactly to plan, every time I try to make it out to the dropzone, I can't. I get hyped up the day before but when the morning comes, I just feel horrible and scared.

I fear on how I will perform and I dread the day I will have to cut-away in a malfunction. What holds me back is how my family would react if I did end up bouncing. I know it's a horrid thought and I don't like talking about it to other people but I'd hope you could relate.

I'm not sure what I should do. I really want to continue my AFF but I feel as if it's been too long since my land jump as that I might screw up again.


ianyapxw

Mar 11, 2014, 1:41 AM
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Which AFF level did you end at?

Remember that if it's the earlier levels, the 2 instructors make it safer. Furthermore, if you don't pull, they can pull for you.


.Michael.

Mar 11, 2014, 2:33 AM
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Stage 6, same as OP.

I haven't jumped in 4-5 months so I don't know how I'll go.

I knows it's a similar jump to stage 5 - but an unlinked exit.

2 360 turns and 2 docks, 1 180 turn, wave and deploy. I've been practising my arch on ground but still not confident in jumping. Should I just go back and do the jump because I think I need to just get over my fear of my previous jump. I don't think I'm cut out for this sport if I'm going to not jump for several months just because one 'bad' jump.

I want this really bad though. Really mentally challenging.


ianyapxw

Mar 11, 2014, 3:17 AM
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While I am not in a qualified position to advice you, I would strongly suggest you don't give up. Sure, you're not current, but it'll only get worse with time. Skydiving, especially with instructors, is quite safe. Your fear is just that, a fear.

In this thread a student talks about his disappointment with his AFF and the community comes and supports him. http://www.dropzone.com/...;;page=unread#unread

edit: Read this too http://www.reddit.com/...and_wants_to/cd1zij4


(This post was edited by ianyapxw on Mar 11, 2014, 3:22 AM)



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