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Fatal Accident Germany - 12 July 2013

 


tiobane  (Student)

Jul 29, 2013, 1:48 PM
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http://www.epochtimes.de/...msprung-1082538.html
(link in german, here a short translation of the facts)

36 years old skydiver died Saturday near Hohenlockstedt.
Neither main nor reserve did not open, why is still unknown.
(Also to me, If they failed or were not deployed.)
he had 550 jumps, 160 in the last 12 months.

Anyone have news about that?
Got to know some people that age in that region...


(This post was edited by PhreeZone on Jan 22, 2014, 8:22 PM)


Skytrooper

Jul 30, 2013, 4:57 AM
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His name was Max (hopefully not a friend of yours).

It was his 3rd jump that day. His home DZ was in Kiel.
He was the last to exit that plane, because he wanted to open at 1800m.
His main chute was still inside the container, the reserve was out of the container, but inside the pod.
The police is investigating. Everybody is really sad here.


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tiobane  (Student)

Jul 30, 2013, 6:10 AM
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Thanks for telling... Nope didn't knew him but some folks who regularily jump there...
I hope they will find out, what happened... Doesn't change the situation but makes it maybe a bit more easy to handle.


TangBu  (C 102574)

Jul 30, 2013, 7:09 AM
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Did he have an AAD?


Sky_doggy  (C 41295)

Jul 30, 2013, 9:09 AM
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Skytrooper wrote:
the reserve was out of the container, but inside the pod.

Could you help me understand what "inside the pod" means? I am having trouble picturing this.

I sure am sorry to hear about this. It is very painful for everyone, particularly family.


Premier cpoxon  (D 11665)
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Jul 30, 2013, 9:24 AM
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pod=bag


freekflyguy  (D 11658)

Jul 30, 2013, 10:43 AM
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A sad day for German fallschermsprunge, my condolences.

Can you give any details of equipment? Container, main, reserve, AAD?


piisfish

Jul 30, 2013, 2:40 PM
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Sky_doggy wrote:
Skytrooper wrote:
the reserve was out of the container, but inside the pod.

Could you help me understand what "inside the pod" means? I am having trouble picturing this.
in Europe, the POD would be either the main Deployment Bag or the reserve Freebag


freddysdaddy

Jul 30, 2013, 9:57 PM
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Only information from several news articles:

-36yo, 550 jumps, 160 in the last year, equipment?
-Jumper was last out, as he wanted to pull higher
-Main Container closed
-Reserve out (AAD?), but still in the Freebag

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FlyBear

Jul 31, 2013, 4:43 PM
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I'd guess it was an AAD activation. Somehow reminds on the discussions we had about the combinations of Fullfit Main canopies vs. Fullfit Reserve canopies.

So that the reserve pc couldn't develop enough force to extract the freebag from the container.

Just speculation, but just my thoughts about this. Unsure

R.I.P. Max


riddler  (D 10234)

Jul 31, 2013, 10:40 PM
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If the AAD fired, there should have been enough altitude, no matter the jumper's body configuration, that the reserve free-bag should not have completely locked the reserve canopy inside of it, barring a major rigger error.

There have been cases of jumpers (no AAD, no pull) impacting the ground with enough force to break the reserve closing loop. This causes the spring-loaded reserve pilot chute to eject out, and the reserve bag can come with it (more from the force of the impact, than the PC). But there is no wind-drag on the reserve bridle or free-bag to begin to pull the canopy out of the bag. This can result in the reserve bag being out of the container, but still having the reserve canopy fully inside of it.

I am sorry to hear about the loss of such a young life. Unsure


-ftp-

Aug 1, 2013, 8:46 AM
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Possibly a suicide?


robinheid  (D 5533)

Aug 1, 2013, 10:17 AM
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riddler wrote:
If the AAD fired, there should have been enough altitude, no matter the jumper's body configuration, that the reserve free-bag should not have completely locked the reserve canopy inside of it, barring a major rigger error.

There have been cases of jumpers (no AAD, no pull) impacting the ground with enough force to break the reserve closing loop. This causes the spring-loaded reserve pilot chute to eject out, and the reserve bag can come with it (more from the force of the impact, than the PC). But there is no wind-drag on the reserve bridle or free-bag to begin to pull the canopy out of the bag. This can result in the reserve bag being out of the container, but still having the reserve canopy fully inside of it.

I am sorry to hear about the loss of such a young life. Unsure

See the twin fatality in Zephyrhills discussion and you will see that your premise is unsound. Current gear design and reserve packing practices combined with other factors make it statistically significant that your reserve will not open in time after the loop is cut at standard experienced-jumper AAD activation altitude.

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robinheid  (D 5533)

Aug 1, 2013, 10:21 AM
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-ftp- wrote:
Possibly a suicide?

IF that was the case, why would he turn on his AAD?

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-ftp-

Aug 1, 2013, 11:11 AM
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robinheid wrote:
-ftp- wrote:
Possibly a suicide?

IF that was the case, why would he turn on his AAD?

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We don't know if it was on. Impacts have broken closing loops before, a loss of transation could mean just the RPC was out.



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