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Sharksblood  (B 37851)

May 28, 2013, 6:58 PM
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I had my first cutaway this past Saturday on my 131st jump. It was a three way RW jump that went well. We broke off as planned at 5,500. I tracked away from the group, waved off at 4,500 and pulled around 4,000. I had a fairly long snivel, but was fully deployed (per my Alti-track) by 2,960 feet. I secured my slider, confirmed the canopy looked good and grabbed the toggles to release the brakes.

I have had a prior incident where I got my hand through the slack in the stowed toggles, so I am extra careful to make sure I am clear of the slack or it is still stowed before I release the brakes. When I released the brakes, the left toggle would not move beyond the slack and was locked up. The canopy immediately went into a hard spinning dive to the left. I tried to reverse it by pulling the right toggle all the way down, but it had no effect. As the spinning was getting faster and I was getting close to 2,000 feet I decided to chop it.

I immediately went for my reserve and was under canopy by around 1,000 feet and lucky to be just a few hundred feet southwest of the main landing area of the drop zone. The reserve static line must have come loose at some point because the main was long gone before I pulled the reserve. I confirmed my Vigil never fired so I was under reserve above the altitude for it to deploy the reserve.

I had to land downwind but otherwise had a nice smooth landing in the main landing area of the DZ.

Here is a link to a video from my helmet camera of the deployment. http://vimeo.com/m/67167745. (FYI-my DZ allows jumpers with over 100 jumps to jump with small cameras if they have training in emergency procedures on camera use and have a cutaway system on their helmets. I meet all these requirements.)

I am sure there are many more experienced jumpers who might have tried to work out the problem and could have done so without a cutaway. With more experience, some feedback from people who review this and the video, and potentially any info my rigger finds after he examines my main as to the cause of the malfunction (we recovered all my gear except my handles), I will learn from this incident and be better prepared the next time I have a malfunction.

The link to the video is : http://vimeo.com/m/67167745


jumpsalot-2  (D 33093)

May 28, 2013, 7:03 PM
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BEER ........ Tongue


fcajump  (D 15598)

May 28, 2013, 7:04 PM
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http://vimeo.com/m/67167745
(clicky)

CONGRATS!Cool

(edited to add - might just be that I'm tired, but don't see anything specific on the video to explain the 'why'; however, it appears to me that both of your brake lines have many twists in them. you would do well to untwist them after every few jumps. if you're not sure what I mean, ask your rigger. that can lead to several problems if not managed.)


(This post was edited by fcajump on May 28, 2013, 7:09 PM)


chuckakers  (D 10855)

May 28, 2013, 7:11 PM
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Sharksblood wrote:
I have had a prior incident where I got my hand through the slack in the stowed toggles, so I am extra careful to make sure I am clear of the slack or it is still stowed before I release the brakes.
In reply to:

There's no reason to have enough slack brake line to cause problems. I suggest you consult a qualified rigger to get advice on the proper stowing of excess brake line.

As the spinning was getting faster and I was getting close to 2,000 feet I decided to chop it. I immediately went for my reserve and was under canopy by around 1,000 feet....
In reply to:

This is a problem, my friend. A chop and 2k should not result in a reserve at 1k.



Here is a link to a video from my helmet camera of the deployment.
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On jump 131?


hookitt  (D License)

May 28, 2013, 7:40 PM
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Can't tell because your wide angle is NOT wide is exactly opposite of wide ;) ... I almost bet that you pulled the slider down onto the toggle when you collapsed the slider.



2 things.
- Make sure you don't shove the toggle too far into the brake setting during packing.
- Take care not to cover the toggles when you collapse it. If you're cutting away ARCH as you pull the cutaway so you don't flip like that.

And yes, untwist your brake lines.


stevo  (D 28946)

May 28, 2013, 7:56 PM
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there's a lot of very talented jumpers at Elsinore who are eager to help, go talk to some of them about this.


jjudd  (D 31065)

May 28, 2013, 9:04 PM
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I watched that one from the ground. Thinking damn that was a low reserve deployment, pretty much right in the middle of the rest of the jumpers getting set for their pattern by the time your reserve was open. First I was thinking a aad fire the we finally saw the main


The RSL is a great tool but can fail. Always pull that reserve asap regardless. Especially had that happened a little lower it could have been a worse outcome.

Glad to see what caused it, put an end to my curiosity


pope  (D 19947)

May 28, 2013, 10:37 PM
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Sharksblood wrote:

I immediately went for my reserve and was under canopy by around 1,000 feet and lucky to be just a few hundred feet southwest of the main landing area of the drop zone. The reserve static line must have come loose at some point because the main was long gone before I pulled the reserve. I confirmed my Vigil never fired so I was under reserve above the altitude for it to deploy the reserve.

I had to land downwind but otherwise had a nice smooth landing in the main landing area of the DZ.
Just curious why you had to land downwind if your reserve was deployed around 1000 feet? It looked as if you had plenty of altitude on the video...


airtwardo  (D License)

May 28, 2013, 10:38 PM
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jjudd wrote:
I watched that one from the ground. Thinking damn that was a low reserve deployment, pretty much right in the middle of the rest of the jumpers getting set for their pattern by the time your reserve was open. First I was thinking a aad fire the we finally saw the main


The RSL is a great tool but can fail. Always pull that reserve asap regardless. Especially had that happened a little lower it could have been a worse outcome.

Glad to see what caused it, put an end to my curiosity

The vid ends prior to landing but my guess is about 40 seconds under the reserve...

The OP might want to get with somebody about this, that's shaving the margins pretty close all things considered.


Tetrahedron

May 28, 2013, 11:13 PM
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Jumping a camera with less than 200 jumps?
Are there no rules at Elsinore?
Congrats on saving your life.


DHemer  (B License)

May 28, 2013, 11:28 PM
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I notice you use the two handed cutaway method
Looks like approximately 5 sec between pulling the cutaway handle and the reserve ripcord which would explain how you got down to 1000ft.
You may have waited though to get belly to earth so I am not saying it was all due to cutaway method

Coming from a country that trains you to grab both handels before cutaway, what advantages does a 2 handed method have?




Erroll

May 29, 2013, 2:08 AM
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Tetrahedron wrote:
Jumping a camera with less than 200 jumps?
Are there no rules at Elsinore?

From the original post :
"(FYI-my DZ allows jumpers with over 100 jumps to jump with small cameras if they have training in emergency procedures on camera use and have a cutaway system on their helmets. I meet all these requirements.)"


Crazy


mirage62  (C 15580)

May 29, 2013, 3:18 AM
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The one handed cut away, when taught to me, was TWO hands on first the cut away then the reserve. My understanding was that it made it more difficult to pull out of order.


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

May 29, 2013, 3:42 AM
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The reserve static line must have come loose at some point because the main was long gone before I pulled the reserve.


THIS ^^ is why we teach you to always pull the reserve handle immediately after the cutaway.

You'll see or hear it sooner or later: "I didn't need to pull the reserve handle because the RSL beat me to it."

What do you think a proper response to that should be?

Nice guy:
"Geez, man. Always pull the reserve after cutaway and here's why...."

Asshat:
"You idiot! Pull the damned reserve handle after cutaway!"

Which would you listen to?

Answer: Both. It's the message that's important.


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

May 29, 2013, 3:44 AM
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Congrats! You got the first one out of the way.
Great confidence builder to know that you CAN do it, eh?
Smile


rastapara  (Student)

May 29, 2013, 6:24 AM
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good safe, you walked away from it...

I am not one to lead by example (I once was a fool to jump a camera with to little jumps, but enough luck to never have an issue) but

Quote:
FYI-my DZ allows jumpers with over 100 jumps to jump with small cameras

That something is allowed doesn't make it any safer... in the end its your decision and you are the biggest stakeholder in the safety of your skydives... (maybe food for thought)


-ftp-

May 29, 2013, 7:21 AM
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You say you immediately went for your reserve...that was FAR from immediate.

what method were you taught for EP's?


DcloudZ  (B 37320)

May 29, 2013, 7:51 AM
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As far as I can tell from the narrow angle, it seems as though the slider trapped the left side brake while the right was loose. Didn't notice you bringing the right toggle down to correct it. Anyhow, took an excessive amount of time from cutwaway to reserve handle pull. You claim the RSL was disconnected or whatever but that should be irrelevant to your emergency procedures.

Perhaps you should review your emergency procedures with an instructor.

ETA: Sorry the above message could be interpreted as rude but it is not my intention... It's just that had anything else gone wrong this could have resulted in an AAD fire or worse. Seems that this situation is very simiilar to Liam's.


(This post was edited by DcloudZ on May 29, 2013, 7:53 AM)


LSD3rd  (A 11142)

May 29, 2013, 9:20 AM
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I had a stuck toggle in 2009, parachute was spinning on opening, stopped the spin with the other toggle, took out my hook knife and cut the hung up line, then the parachute flew straight. Practiced turning and flaring with rear rises. landed with a nice sliding landing, but I was deploying at 4k. this was my choice. You didn't like the parachute above you head you went for you reserve, good going. Learn from this, and be safe.


rushmc  (No License)

May 29, 2013, 10:51 AM
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popsjumper wrote:
Quote:
The reserve static line must have come loose at some point because the main was long gone before I pulled the reserve.


THIS ^^ is why we teach you to always pull the reserve handle immediately after the cutaway.

You'll see or hear it sooner or later: "I didn't need to pull the reserve handle because the RSL beat me to it."

What do you think a proper response to that should be?

Nice guy:
"Geez, man. Always pull the reserve after cutaway and here's why...."

Asshat:
"You idiot! Pull the damned reserve handle after cutaway!"

Which would you listen to?

Answer: Both. It's the message that's important.

Too add to your post
I had a bag lock (I will not go into that other than to say I did not follow my own rules and created it myself)

I had a almost new migage with an RSL I chopped the mess and I was towing the mess with the RSL

Even it is hooked up there may not be enough drag in certin situations to make it work

I packed both chutes

I was my second save


sundevil777  (D License)

May 29, 2013, 12:01 PM
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I had a bag lock (I will not go into that other than to say I did not follow my own rules and created it myself)

I had a almost new migage with an RSL I chopped the mess and I was towing the mess with the RSL

Even it is hooked up there may not be enough drag in certin situations to make it work

Did the trailing main go away when you pulled the reserve? Depending on where the RSL lanyard hang-up is, it is possible for the trailing mess to remain even after you've pulled the reserve.


(This post was edited by sundevil777 on May 29, 2013, 12:02 PM)


rushmc  (No License)

May 29, 2013, 12:08 PM
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sundevil777 wrote:
In reply to:
I had a bag lock (I will not go into that other than to say I did not follow my own rules and created it myself)

I had a almost new migage with an RSL I chopped the mess and I was towing the mess with the RSL

Even it is hooked up there may not be enough drag in certin situations to make it work

Did the trailing main go away when you pulled the reserve? Depending on where the RSL lanyard hang-up is, it is possible for the trailing mess to remain even after you've pulled the reserve.

Yes
It was gone before the reserve got there

I had a simple RSL

I made sure it was correctly routed so there was not a tangle.

As to your last question?

I am sure that if misrouted an RSL can keep the trash with you

Note to everyone
I am a rigger but
You dont have to trust me with the RSL routing
I know you you cant see the rest but, check what you can
Manage what you can

Know your gear and how it works. That knowelge may, in the air, save your skin someday

Many times I would have my clients open up the reserve in front of me and sometimes another rigger too

Kept me humble


(This post was edited by rushmc on May 29, 2013, 12:20 PM)


sundevil777  (D License)

May 29, 2013, 8:59 PM
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In reply to:
I had a bag lock (I will not go into that other than to say I did not follow my own rules and created it myself)

I had a almost new migage with an RSL I chopped the mess and I was towing the mess with the RSL

Even it is hooked up there may not be enough drag in certin situations to make it work

I wonder what effect such a situation might have on the reserve pull force.


jacketsdb23  (D 29802)

May 29, 2013, 10:51 PM
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Sharksblood wrote:
When I released the brakes, the left toggle would not move beyond the slack and was locked up. The canopy immediately went into a hard spinning dive to the left. I tried to reverse it by pulling the right toggle all the way down, but it had no effect.

Maybe i'm not picturing this right, but how did pulling the right toggle (presumably a "good" toggle) not straighten out the canopy?

I think you did the right thing - your ass was on the line, you got rid of a canopy that you could not control and are here to tell the story. Good job.

You will appreciate the ability to learn how to control your canopy with other inputs as you progress in your skydiving career. Kudos!


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