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Premier PhreeZone  (D License)
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May 18, 2013, 8:09 AM
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Reports are coming out that a highly experienced skydiver was fatally injured on a jump in Dubai. The instructor was jumping a cross braced canopy and happened to get caught in turbulent air that lead to the collapse of his canopy. The jumper was doing a 90 degree approach to landing and it seems he flew through a dust devil at around 300 feet, when it was determined his main was not going to re-inflate he tried to pull his reserve also to get more nylon above his head to help. He landed under a partially collapsed main canopy. He was alert on the ground and speaking to first responders but he passed away from his injuries a short time later.









One thing of note on this is that the jumper did not have his family listed as a contact and it seems it took quite a while to track someone down that was able to get in touch his his family to inform them about the situation. Please list the correct person on the waivers and make sure that if you want multiple people contacted you leave that information as well. Putting things like "A doctor" as a contact does not help the situation if you are seriously injured and the DZ needs to contact the family. Also consider putting someone other than your spouse on the form if that person might be on the same plane as you in the case of a plane crash.


catfishhunter  (D 28796)

May 18, 2013, 8:57 PM
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Oh no do you know who?






FB1609  (C 1409)

May 19, 2013, 9:48 AM
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That's just horrible. Seems like he did everything right, and thought/reacted as fast as humanly possible. Although I don't know who it was, this one really bums me out.


(This post was edited by FB1609 on May 19, 2013, 9:50 AM)


Deisel  (D 31661)

May 19, 2013, 10:10 AM
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Thank you for posting the details. This man was my friend. And while I was not in Dubai, I do know that he had been jumping daily. He'd been on that canopy for years and had several hundred jumps on it. Currency was not an issue.

Dust devil @ 300ft? WTF would any of us do...

For those wondering who it was - check the blue skies forum.

D


(This post was edited by Deisel on May 19, 2013, 10:11 AM)


chuckakers  (D 10855)

May 19, 2013, 6:36 PM
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PhreeZone wrote:
....at around 300 feet, when it was determined his main was not going to re-inflate he tried to pull his reserve also to get more nylon above his head to help...

A truly tragic fatal. Assuming the OP's post is accurate, this jumper did everything right and still died.

This jumper's actions did not save his/her life but it could have. Remember this: at some point, doing ANYTHING is better than doing nothing.


BigMark  (D 17505)

May 19, 2013, 7:57 PM
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I wonder if a Skyhook would have saved him, but all the pictures show it deploying from a fully open canopy.


Premier skydiverek  (C 41769)

May 20, 2013, 1:21 AM
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What canopy?

And which DZ? SD Palm, or SD Desert?


freefallcrab  (D 100760)

May 20, 2013, 1:46 AM
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Desert :(

Tragic.


DocPop  (C License)

May 20, 2013, 8:46 AM
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I'd be interested to know what the winds were, because they are pretty conservative at shutting down when the winds get iffy at SD.


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

May 20, 2013, 9:30 AM
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It was a dust devil that killed Rick Frazier in NV last year. And they've killed many others in our sport over the years. Dust devils are a real wild card in our sport. Unsure


(This post was edited by PhreeZone on May 21, 2013, 5:47 AM)


toolbox  (D 18778)

May 20, 2013, 9:40 AM
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I've always said that the most dangerous part of the skydive is the last 300 feet to the ground,under a good parachute.
At 300 feet the traffic is bunching up, and 300 feet is where your canopy may not have time to reinflate after a collapse.
300 feet is where you are likely to encounter heavy thermal,and mechanical turbulence,and dustdevils.


yoink

May 20, 2013, 11:14 AM
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JohnMitchell wrote:
Dust devils are a real wild card in our sport. Unsure

Absolutely. I hate hearing 'better in dealing with turbulence' as a reason that some people use to make the switch to crossbraced wings.

In big turbulence nothing will save you except luck.

One of the reasons I never jumped in Perris in the afternoons were the dust devils. It continually baffled me seeing people gearing up as dustdevils that could overturn deckchairs tore through the landing area... Unsure


Krip  (Student)

May 20, 2013, 11:19 AM
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toolbox wrote:
I've always said that the most dangerous part of the skydive is the last 300 feet to the ground,under a good parachute.
At 300 feet the traffic is bunching up, and 300 feet is where your canopy may not have time to reinflate after a collapse.
300 feet is where you are likely to encounter heavy thermal,and mechanical turbulence,and dustdevils.

Beware 2nd hand info

Wasn't there a guy a perris that had landed and a dust devil got to his canopy before he could. The dd reinflated the canopy and went airborn and slammed the dude to the ground hard enough to kill him.

R


Ron

May 20, 2013, 1:13 PM
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I wonder if a Skyhook would have saved him,

He did not cutaway, a skyhook would have done nothing. At 300 feet, even with a skyhook dumping the reserve is most likely the best choice of action.

There is not much else this jumper could have done that was not perfect... the only thing might have been not jumping if there were any questions about the wind.

If this jumper is who I think it is.... their judgement was normally very solid.


f94sbu  (D 16017)

May 20, 2013, 3:05 PM
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Ron wrote:
He did not cutaway, a skyhook would have done nothing. At 300 feet, even with a skyhook dumping the reserve is most likely the best choice of action.

Timmys cutaway from his collapsed Petra was at a very low altitude. The promo videos from UPT shows reserves deploying with less than 150 feet of altitude loss.

I have no idea if the outcome would have been different with a Skyhook, but I would guess that 300 feet would be more than sufficient.


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

May 20, 2013, 3:09 PM
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Krip wrote:

Wasn't there a guy a perris that had landed and a dust devil got to his canopy before he could. The dd reinflated the canopy and went airborn and slammed the dude to the ground hard enough to kill him.
I think I remember that. It certainly DID happen to an Air Force Academy cadet at Colorado Springs in the late 80's or early 90's. One of my coworkers, who had made a few jumps, was working in the control tower and witnessed it. Unsure


yoink

May 20, 2013, 3:29 PM
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JohnMitchell wrote:
Krip wrote:

Wasn't there a guy a perris that had landed and a dust devil got to his canopy before he could. The dd reinflated the canopy and went airborn and slammed the dude to the ground hard enough to kill him.
I think I remember that. It certainly DID happen to an Air Force Academy cadet at Colorado Springs in the late 80's or early 90's. One of my coworkers, who had made a few jumps, was working in the control tower and witnessed it. Unsure


There's this one showing it happening to two paraglider pilots...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iBjqFJsraM

If that isn't some scary shit I don't know what is... Unsure








freefallcrab  (D 100760)

May 21, 2013, 12:22 AM
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I'd be interested to know what the winds were, because they are pretty conservative at shutting down when the winds get iffy at SD

The accident was on Lift 2 (IIRC), I was on the first lift. The wind speed wasn't a factor. You are right about the DZ being conservative - there is a lot of student training at this DZ and safety is always at the front of their minds. We were not on a student hold for winds at that stage of the day. There was a light steady breeze - it was neither dead calm nor blowing close to or out of limits.


irishrigger  (D 297)

May 21, 2013, 3:07 AM
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The promo videos from UPT shows reserves deploying with less than 150 feet of altitude loss.

I think that promo you are talking about is a bit misleading. yes they did cut away from about 100-150 feet, but the reserve they used was packed with the slider down so that it would open faster.

also i don't know if i had the guts to cut away around 300 feet even if i had a skyhook. call me old fashioned but i was told 21 years ago that below 500 feet you try to keep as much nylon above you as possible. i would also pulled the reserve only at that height.

Rodger


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May 21, 2013, 5:15 AM
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irishrigger wrote:
The promo videos from UPT shows reserves deploying with less than 150 feet of altitude loss.

I think that promo you are talking about is a bit misleading. yes they did cut away from about 100-150 feet, but the reserve they used was packed with the slider down so that it would open faster.

also i don't know if i had the guts to cut away around 300 feet even if i had a skyhook. call me old fashioned but i was told 21 years ago that below 500 feet you try to keep as much nylon above you as possible. i would also pulled the reserve only at that height.

Rodger

Skyhook, or not, I agree with you and believe this is your best chance in this scenario.

Ian


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