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pnuwin  (D 112233)

Aug 24, 2012, 11:37 PM
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A skydiver has plunged to his death after a jump went wrong on Queensland's Sunshine Coast.

The man, believed to be in his 30s, was pronounced dead after emergency crews arrived at Kings Beach, Caloundra about 11.20am on Saturday, a police spokesman said.

Authorities were not sure how the accident happened, he said.

While police will prepare a report for the coroner, the matter will also be investigated by Workplace Health and Safety officers.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/...do45r1-1226457937896

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/...-20120825-24t0i.html


Zymurdoo  (D 16833)

Aug 25, 2012, 5:22 AM
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A SKYDIVER who fell to his death on a busy Sunshine Coast beach yesterday was doing fine until the last 30m, witnesses said.

They said the solo parachutist was spiralling perfectly to the landing spot at Kings Beach, Caloundra, about 11.10am.

But, as he closed in, the man appeared to misjudge and slammed hard and horizontally into the sand.

His chute had a camera mount and it is believed he was a cameraman for a Sunshine Coast skydiving company.


irishrigger  (D 297)

Aug 25, 2012, 6:32 AM
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sounds like another swoop gone bad FrownFrownFrown
RIP


tobiaslw

Aug 25, 2012, 6:43 AM
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Today we lost a member of our skydiving fraternity.

An experienced solo, sport skydiver, jumping in conjunction with a group of tandem skydivers, was fatally injured on landing at Kings Beach this morning.

As skydivers we are all aware of the danger involved in our chosen sport and are aware that accidents can happen.

Today we all mourn for our fellow skydiver and our thoughts and deep sympathy are with their family and friends.

Tomorrow we will re-open our doors and continue to deliver, as promised, the tandem skydives to the many people who have been looking forward to their skydiving experience.

Tandem skydives which our company provides are where a 'student' skydiver makes a jump harnessed to an experienced tandem instructor - the student has no direct responsibility for their skydive (except the decision to book the jump) and they are in effect a passenger securely harnessed to an expert skydiver, and as such these tandem skydives are completely different to sports skydives.

The accident is currently under investigation by officers of the Australian Parachute Federation and their finding will be released in due course.


pnuwin  (D 112233)

Aug 25, 2012, 7:13 AM
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Emergency Services say the 32-year-old Sunshine Coast man, who had performed more than 320 jumps, crashed on Kings Beach just after 11am AEST.

Paramedics tried to resuscitate the man but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

A full investigation into the incident will be launched by the Australian Parachute Federation and police will prepare a report for the coroner.

Sunshine Coast Skydivers owner and operator Tibor Glesk says it is a tragic accident.

"What happened is that one experienced solo jumper jumped here and landed downwind and impacted very hard and unfortunately lost his life," he said.

"I can only say from experience these conditions today are perfect.

"What can I say - we have been jumping here for 19 years and we... had one broken leg, but otherwise we have never had anything and it's just really a huge shock to all of us."

Workplace Health and Safety will also investigate.

http://www.abc.net.au/...ing-accident/4222568


Andrewwhyte  (C 1988)

Aug 25, 2012, 3:18 PM
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Does this DZ normally have a fun jumper scene or was he jumping there because he brought in some tandems?


swoopgaz  (E 1964)

Aug 26, 2012, 2:17 AM
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I'm not sure wether the jumper was passing through or had jumped there previously, this is info from one of the ground crew.

This is a beach tandem operation that does allow fun jumpers from time to time. The beach they were landing on is quite small with buildings close to the sand and rocks at the end of it. Fom the witness the jumper was hot on the beach and was gonna overshoot onto the rocks, has done a low turn to stay in the landing area. Turn was too low to be completed.
Sounds like this is a death that could have been avoided simply by landing in the water or on the rocks instead of trying to stay in the landing area.


nigel99  (D 1)

Aug 26, 2012, 5:08 PM
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Any idea on the license requirements at the dz? Here in WA the operations with landing area's in the public face tend to require a minimum of a D and a display D. I'm not sure of the value in a display D though.

I've found the Ozzie license structure emphases good canopy flight, far more than the USPA system. Considering the accuracy requirements for a C or D license and judging from the size of the beach (from news video) it doesn't look like hazards should have been a problem.


hcsvader  (E 2952)

Aug 26, 2012, 8:30 PM
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D license is 200 jumps, display D is just a bit of paperwork.


nigel99  (D 1)

Aug 26, 2012, 10:08 PM
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D license is 200 jumps, display D is just a bit of paperwork.

I realise about the display D which is why I don't really understand why it exists. I suppose it is the CI putting his name to paper saying you are able to cope in certain circumstances. But the APF C and D accuracy requirements are more stringent than USPA and certainly both Perth dz's enforce the accuracy. It's not uncommon to meet people with 70 jumps still struggling to get their B requirements.


bart  (F 670)

Aug 27, 2012, 1:02 AM
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D license is 200 jumps, display D is just a bit of paperwork.

I realise about the display D which is why I don't really understand why it exists.

Obtaining a display D just means you then have the insurance to perform Displays, the size of the landing area is then dependent on the classification of your sporting license. Obtaining a higher display license C, B or A which have specific accuracy requirement also allows you to jump in smaller areas or perform specific types of jumps. For example you need a Display B to perform tandem Displays or tandems on restricted Dropzones etc.


hcsvader  (E 2952)

Aug 29, 2012, 12:45 PM
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Anyone know if the name has been released yet?


richardw38  (B License)

Aug 29, 2012, 10:46 PM
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not yet :
http://www.abc.net.au/.../4229520?section=qld


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Aug 30, 2012, 4:05 PM
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Emergency Services say the 32-year-old Sunshine Coast man, who had performed more than 320 jumps, crashed on Kings Beach just after 11am AEST.

Paramedics tried to resuscitate the man but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

A full investigation into the incident will be launched by the Australian Parachute Federation and police will prepare a report for the coroner.

Sunshine Coast Skydivers owner and operator Tibor Glesk says it is a tragic accident.

"What happened is that one experienced solo jumper jumped here and landed downwind and impacted very hard and unfortunately lost his life," he said.

"I can only say from experience these conditions today are perfect.

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I don't like it that he makes it appear to be a downwind landing problem. Gives downwinders a bad name and will cause more low turn incidents trying to avoid at the last second.


DocPop  (C License)

Aug 30, 2012, 4:24 PM
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Emergency Services say the 32-year-old Sunshine Coast man, who had performed more than 320 jumps, crashed on Kings Beach just after 11am AEST.

Paramedics tried to resuscitate the man but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

A full investigation into the incident will be launched by the Australian Parachute Federation and police will prepare a report for the coroner.

Sunshine Coast Skydivers owner and operator Tibor Glesk says it is a tragic accident.

"What happened is that one experienced solo jumper jumped here and landed downwind and impacted very hard and unfortunately lost his life," he said.

"I can only say from experience these conditions today are perfect.

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I don't like it that he makes it appear to be a downwind landing problem. Gives downwinders a bad name and will cause more low turn incidents trying to avoid at the last second.

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obelixtim  (D 84)

Aug 31, 2012, 4:51 AM
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I don't like it that he makes it appear to be a downwind landing problem. Gives downwinders a bad name and will cause more low turn incidents trying to avoid at the last second.

Maybe not so....although both options at that stage were bad.

Sounds like he did the downwinder and smashed into something solid. It may be that he elected to carry on downwind rather than attempt a hook turn.

Either way, he ran himself out of choices earlier in the jump. And that is the lesson people need to take out of this incident. Always have an out if you need it.


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Aug 31, 2012, 6:33 AM
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Your speculation on what happened is OK. But it has no bearing on the point I made.

We already have too many plowing themselves into the ground doing last-second turns to avoid a downwind landing because they have been taught that landing into the wind is necessary...you and I both know it's not.

Blaming this on a downwinder only propagates that "must land into the wind" idiocy and will only continue to put fear of them into the youngsters coming up. What you will get is even more people doing last-second plow-ins trying to get into the wind....not good.

That's my point.

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Either way, he ran himself out of choices earlier in the jump. And that is the lesson people need to take out of this incident. Always have an out if you need it.


Excellent good stuff there. Anyone reading this thread should take this to heart...it could someday save you from injury.


nigel99  (D 1)

Aug 31, 2012, 5:44 PM
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Your speculation on what happened is OK. But it has no bearing on the point I made.

We already have too many plowing themselves into the ground doing last-second turns to avoid a downwind landing because they have been taught that landing into the wind is necessary...you and I both know it's not.

Blaming this on a downwinder only propagates that "must land into the wind" idiocy and will only continue to put fear of them into the youngsters coming up. What you will get is even more people doing last-second plow-ins trying to get into the wind....not good.

That's my point.

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Either way, he ran himself out of choices earlier in the jump. And that is the lesson people need to take out of this incident. Always have an out if you need it.


Excellent good stuff there. Anyone reading this thread should take this to heart...it could someday save you from injury.

This quote is copied and pasted from some AFF course notes.
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LANDING
Landing should always be made facing into the wind. This will slow your speed down for a softer landing. However it's better to avoid a landing hazard with a crosswind landing than to land into wind and collide with the hazard.

Unfortunately some DZ's place this emphasis from the first jump and set the mind set for the life of the jumper.


richardw38  (B License)

Sep 3, 2012, 11:44 PM
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I received this just now :

The Skydiving Community mourns the loss of Ashley Powell, who lost his life in a skydiving accident on the 25th August at Caloundra, SQ.

On behalf of every APF member heartfelt sympathies are extended to Ashley’s family including Mum Chris and Dad Ian, brother Ryan and his wife Kathryn and their three sons, sister Leanne and husband Don, and Ashley’s girlfriend Cassie. Ashley’s family remember him as a young man who ‘took life by the horns and was loved and adored by all who knew him’.

The funeral service will take place on September 5th at 2pm at St Patrick's Catholic Church, 24 Tobruk Street, Beenleigh and afterwards for light refreshments at the Windaroo Country Club, Anna Louise Terrace, Windaroo.
Attachments: Ash.jpg (12.9 KB)


DeeBeeGee  (C License)

Sep 4, 2012, 6:10 AM
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Landing should always be made facing into the wind. This will slow your speed down for a softer landing. However it's better to avoid a landing hazard with a crosswind landing than to land into wind and collide with the hazard.
Way to follow an absolute statement with a qualifier! That could never lead to confusion.

In UK we teach;

Priorities:
• Land under a flat and level canopy
• Into a hazard free area
• Into wind (this is ideal, but not at the expense of the above)


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Sep 4, 2012, 8:37 AM
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Priorities:
• Land under a flat and level canopy
• Into a hazard free area
• Into wind (this is ideal, but not at the expense of the above)
I like that.

I teach that the 3 priorities are this:
- Be in straight flight with your canopy over your head
- Flare at a proper altitude
- Be faced into the wind, the least important of the 3.

I might swipe your's for my FJC. Thanks.


Abedy  (D 10153)

Sep 4, 2012, 11:11 AM
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Priorities:
• Land under a flat and level canopy
• Into a hazard free area
• Into wind (this is ideal, but not at the expense of the above)
I like that.

I teach that the 3 priorities are this:
- Be in straight flight with your canopy over your head
- Flare at a proper altitude
- Be faced into the wind, the least important of the 3.

I might swipe your's for my FJC. Thanks.

Look at this poster, published by the German Parachuting Association DFV. Puts it in a similar way:
1) Land flying straight, canopy parallel to the ground.
2) Into an area with no hazards.
3) At least with toggles pulled half way down.
4) Into the wind.

BTW: The poster was met with a lot of attention as it mimicked the leading tabloid paper here. Cool


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Sep 4, 2012, 12:03 PM
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Super nice!Cool


dragon2  (D 101989)

Sep 4, 2012, 1:40 PM
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A while ago I posted this thread.

There we came up with the CRAP landing priority acronym:

Canopy
Right above your head
Avoiding obstacles
Pointing into the wind

This is something we teach in our (Dutch) FJC.


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Sep 5, 2012, 6:25 AM
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A while ago I posted this thread.

There we came up with the CRAP landing priority acronym:

Canopy
Right above your head
Avoiding obstacles
Pointing into the wind

This is something we teach in our (Dutch) FJC.

Well, take note that pointing into the wind is the least of your worries. If we would quit beating up students with 'land into the wind', we'd have fewer low turn injuries.

That's not to say that they should disregard wind direction, it's simply to say that a downwinder is a better option than plowing yourself into the ground trying to meet that 'land into the wind' mantra.

If one cannot think of a way to talk to them about landing direction without making into-the-wind the priority, one should pass that block of instruction on to somebody who can.


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