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Fatality - Nylstroom, South Africa - 30 November 2008

 


Premier cpoxon  (D 11665)
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Nov 30, 2008, 7:47 AM
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http://www.iol.co.za/...1130103220638C226001

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A 23-year-old skydiver was killed in a skydiving accident in Nylstroom on Sunday morning, the Parachute Association of South Africa (Pasa) said.

The accident happened around 8am at the Nylstroom airfield during a formation skydive, said Pasa national safety and training officer Mark Bellingan.

It appeared that the man failed to open his parachute. It was not yet clear why.

"Witness reports and the initial investigation would indicate that no attempt was made to deploy either the main or the reserve parachutes, resulting in a high speed impact with the ground," said Bellingan.

The man's name could not be released as his next of kin had not yet been informed of his death. He was a licensed Pasa member with 98 jumps under his belt.

BSBD


gainer  (D 800)

Nov 30, 2008, 1:18 PM
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Iafrica,

http://news.iafrica.com/sa/1143899.htm


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A 23-year-old man was killed in a skydiving accident in Nylstroom on Sunday morning, the Parachute Association of South Africa (Pasa) said.

The accident happened around 8am at the Nylstroom airfield during a formation skydive, said Pasa national safety and training officer Mark Bellingan.

It appeared that Joubert Swart from Centurion, Pretoria failed to open his parachute. It was not yet clear why. He was a licensed Pasa member with 98 jumps under his belt.

"Witness reports and the initial investigation would indicate that no attempt was made to deploy either the main or the reserve parachutes, resulting in a high speed impact with the ground," said Bellingan.

He said it appeared as though nothing was wrong with Swart's equipment.

The Civil Aviation Authority and police had been notified.

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My condoleces to the family

Was this suicide or is there something else that happened?


testpilot  (D 830)

Nov 30, 2008, 2:28 PM
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The fact as I believe them to be.
First load of the day out of a 206.
Pilot commented on group being jovial in the aircraft and being in good spirit
Eye witnesses on ground commented on skydiver being unstable below 3000 feet
Body impact ground approximately a mile south of the DZ in an open area.
All three handles were found still in place.
It was believed that main and reserves came out of container on impact.
Own gear
No AAD I believe he had a B Licence
No audible altimeter.

My condolences to his family and friends.


(This post was edited by testpilot on Nov 30, 2008, 2:29 PM)


Synapse  (D 30163)

Nov 30, 2008, 10:33 PM
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To the others on the jump with him, did anyone in the formation notice a problem with him prior to breakoff? Possibly a blow to the head to knock him unconscious just before everyone turned to track away?

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FreeflyIndian  (B 2699)

Dec 2, 2008, 4:54 AM
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Surely there must be more info available here

Any chance of a medical related problem?
Was he unstable out the plane or after break off?
What his ability like during the jump (awareness, etc.)?

A real tragedy


selwynj  (D License)

Dec 2, 2008, 5:18 AM
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You are asking the involved to speculate. I was not on the jump but have a very good source for info that he was aware at breakoff and then something obviously went wrong. We might not ever know. I am not sure if an autopsy has been requested and this would probably reveal nothing. He was well known to me and I regularly jumped with him. My thoughts and prayers go to his family.
This again goes to show that an AAD is a good idea. Even if you are certain that you will always pull. It is cheap insurance. It might not have changed the end result for this person, however we would have some more answers.


naomik  (D 857)

Dec 8, 2008, 10:17 PM
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Joubert was a good friend. From what we've learnt is that he still gave a thumbs up before the track and passed out before pull time. Of course, as in most cases there is allways a chain of events that lead up to an incident.

He suffered from Diabetes and his medication was not on the DZ on the weekend. I agree that an AAD is a very good idea, especially when there is a medical condition that could affect conciousness during a Skydive.

Blue Skies Joubert.....
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LloydDobbler  (D 30655)

Dec 9, 2008, 10:24 AM
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Hey, Naomi -

So sorry for the loss of your friend.

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He suffered from Diabetes and his medication was not on the DZ on the weekend. I agree that an AAD is a very good idea, especially when there is a medical condition that could affect conciousness during a Skydive.

Just a question about this - do you have any idea what type of diabetes he had (Type 1/Type 2, insulin-dependent or not)? That could shed some light on what happened. You saying 'his medication was not on the DZ' leads me to believe it's non-insulin-dependent, because someone relying on insulin would not likely be able to stay on the DZ for long without their medication.

However, someone with insulin-dependent diabetes is more likely to become incapacitated like it seems happened here, so I'd expect that to be the more likely case.

So if you know, could you share what type of diabetes did he have, and what type of medication wasn't present on the DZ? Did you ever know him to take shots, or did he rely on pills?

Just trying to better piece together what happened...as someone very familiar with those conditions, I can posit a few possible scenarios.


(This post was edited by LloydDobbler on Dec 9, 2008, 10:26 AM)


goneswoopen  (D 813)

Dec 15, 2008, 10:25 PM
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Hey, Naomi -

So sorry for the loss of your friend.

In reply to:
He suffered from Diabetes and his medication was not on the DZ on the weekend. I agree that an AAD is a very good idea, especially when there is a medical condition that could affect conciousness during a Skydive.

Just a question about this - do you have any idea what type of diabetes he had (Type 1/Type 2, insulin-dependent or not)? That could shed some light on what happened. You saying 'his medication was not on the DZ' leads me to believe it's non-insulin-dependent, because someone relying on insulin would not likely be able to stay on the DZ for long without their medication.

However, someone with insulin-dependent diabetes is more likely to become incapacitated like it seems happened here, so I'd expect that to be the more likely case.

So if you know, could you share what type of diabetes did he have, and what type of medication wasn't present on the DZ? Did you ever know him to take shots, or did he rely on pills?

Just trying to better piece together what happened...as someone very familiar with those conditions, I can posit a few possible scenarios.

His diabetes was controlled by pills, I do not know what type that is but i do know that he wasnt dependent on insulin shots. It was very festive on Saterday night at the dz and he went up on the first load sunday morning. Nylstroom is 4000' hight. Going to 11k means they spent quite a bit of time climbing with very little O2 .
No matter how the risks are calculated , an AAD stays a bargain.


LloydDobbler  (D 30655)

Dec 16, 2008, 11:54 AM
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His diabetes was controlled by pills, I do not know what type that is but i do know that he wasnt dependent on insulin shots. It was very festive on Saterday night at the dz and he went up on the first load sunday morning. Nylstroom is 4000' hight. Going to 11k means they spent quite a bit of time climbing with very little O2 .
No matter how the risks are calculated , an AAD stays a bargain.

Thank you for the info, Rob.

Since he had Type 2 diabetes (the kind controlled by pills) and didn't have his medication on him (I'm assuming he hadn't taken it all weekend, since he was there the night before), if this was a diabetes-related problem, it's much more likely he had a high blood sugar - which may or may not have been a link in the chain of events.

People with insulin-dependent diabetes often suffer from low blood sugar, which could easily and quickly lead to disorientation, dizziness, or even lack of consciousness - but since he wasn't on insulin, he wouldn't have been able to overdose (which leads to low blood sugar levels).

So I'm less-inclined to think that this incident was diabetes-related, since a high blood sugar usually doesn't incapacitate someone so quickly. But then again, everyone's body is different, and has its own quirks, so his high blood sugar could have affected him differently.

Regardless, thank you for the info. It's a good reminder for those of us with diabetes (I have Type 1/insulin-dependent) of the heightened risks we may face.

And I agree - an AAD is definitely worth well more than its weight in gold. Whether diabetes played a part in this or not (seems to me it could have, but probably didn't), it likely would've been the difference between life and death this time. Frown

My condolences to all his friends and family.


testpilot  (D 830)

Dec 16, 2008, 10:29 PM
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The aircraft took 32 min to altitude.



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