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Broken leg - low turn - 13 okt - Teuge

 


dragon2  (D 101989)

Oct 14, 2007, 2:41 AM
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During a beginner-accuracy competition for both squares and rounds (!) held at our DZ (Teuge, NL) yesterday, there was about zero wind. One of the German jumpers was trying to score well (and he did), however the price of that was a triple broken leg.

Video here:
http://www.paracentrumteuge.nl/...,view/catid,2/id,83/
The landing in question is at the end of the video at 7:19. There is another landing of the same jumper at 2:59 into the video.


(This post was edited by dragon2 on Oct 14, 2007, 2:52 AM)


likearock  (D 24640)

Oct 14, 2007, 8:11 AM
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During a beginner-accuracy competition for both squares and rounds (!) held at our DZ (Teuge, NL) yesterday, there was about zero wind. One of the German jumpers was trying to score well (and he did), however the price of that was a triple broken leg.

Video here:
http://www.paracentrumteuge.nl/...,view/catid,2/id,83/
The landing in question is at the end of the video at 7:19. There is another landing of the same jumper at 2:59 into the video.

Looks like he didn't level out from the turn in time.

Any information on canopy type/size?


dragon2  (D 101989)

Oct 14, 2007, 8:48 AM
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I don't know the exact canopy he was jumping. Looked like a squarish-150-ish to me. Jumper is about 138 lbs bodyweight, and has reportedly about 800 jumps (2nd hand info, no idea if that's true or not). Wingload and canopy type were not excessive in any case, a very good thing in this case Crazy


jimmytavino  (A 3914)

Oct 14, 2007, 1:06 PM
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ouch!!! tough landing (s).....
wonderful video

brought back many good memories of shooting downwind accuracy with round mains,,,CoolWinkSmile

and jumping T 10 static line rigs.....

The verrrry end of you video catches a jumper
s-folding his round main onto his arms, with the chestmount reserve slung to the side,,, as was the norm 25 years ago,,,, during accuracy meets... ONLY this time ,, the jumper in question must have snagged the reserve ripcord.. because I noticed the orange and white reserve spilling out from under his main....
very nice video...

thanks for sharing.
i hope the broken leg heals quickly..

jmy in rochesterSmile


CanuckInUSA  (D 26396)

Oct 14, 2007, 10:43 PM
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Ouch ... that canopy was not even remotely close to the recovery arc.

With the exception of that crash, that was a nice video Saskia. I was suprised a lot of people weren't standing their landings up many of whom who were jumping large canopies. But I guess this was a beginners meet?


(This post was edited by CanuckInUSA on Oct 14, 2007, 10:46 PM)


dragon2  (D 101989)

Oct 15, 2007, 1:24 AM
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Thanx Wink

Yeah mostly these jumpers had (much) less than 100 jumps. Any more and you got a penalty (just 4 jumpers, of which one has been jumping since 1954, wow). Also, there was mostly zero wind. The guy that won the square comp was from another DZ, he had just 10 jumps I think Smile The 2nd place winner jumping rounds made his first 3 jumps on a round ever during this comp Laugh He has quite a few square jumps though but still, excellent IMO Smile


dragon2  (D 101989)

Oct 15, 2007, 1:27 AM
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The ripcord thing was sorta my fault as I asked him to do the folding thing again, for the video Angelic

Found the kickerplate on the grass easy enough but the ripcord took somewhat longer, was in his canopy...


likearock  (D 24640)

Oct 15, 2007, 4:05 AM
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I was suprised a lot of people weren't standing their landings up many of whom who were jumping large canopies. But I guess this was a beginners meet?

I was surprised at how many bad landings were due to simply not flaring completely, some didn't flare at all. Hopefully, those jumpers will see the video and learn from it.


DJL  (D License)

Oct 15, 2007, 9:41 AM
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Thanx Wink

Yeah mostly these jumpers had (much) less than 100 jumps. Any more and you got a penalty (just 4 jumpers, of which one has been jumping since 1954, wow). Also, there was mostly zero wind. The guy that won the square comp was from another DZ, he had just 10 jumps I think Smile The 2nd place winner jumping rounds made his first 3 jumps on a round ever during this comp Laugh He has quite a few square jumps though but still, excellent IMO Smile

Did you have any sort of disqualification or penalty for scary canopy piloting or langing?


dragon2  (D 101989)

Oct 15, 2007, 10:50 AM
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Don't think we had (I wasn't involved with the organising / judging). It was more of standard jumping rules, like people got a talking to if they landed in the wrong direction (because there was no wind the landing direction was set during briefing) etc, the girl with the red canopy who landed in a turn definately got a talking to from at least 5 people Crazy including me, and the German guy, well, he wasn't listening to anyone at all, never had according to the other German jumpers Unsure Hopefully he learns from this then.


Kynan1  (A 50652)

Oct 15, 2007, 4:52 PM
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A broken leg is definitely worth some bragging rights in an accuracy contest! Nice!
haha, I watched the one at 7:19 10x. I would only turn that low to the ground if I were avoiding a building.
I've pulled some dumbass maneuvers though..ahah
Luckily, it was only a leg for him.Smile


lippy  (D 30348)

Oct 15, 2007, 5:14 PM
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I would only turn that low to the ground if I were avoiding a building.
Not trying to flame dude, but....Would you rather hit a building at 15MPH or the ground at 30?Crazy


DJL  (D License)

Oct 16, 2007, 10:32 AM
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Don't think we had (I wasn't involved with the organising / judging). It was more of standard jumping rules, like people got a talking to if they landed in the wrong direction (because there was no wind the landing direction was set during briefing) etc, the girl with the red canopy who landed in a turn definately got a talking to from at least 5 people Crazy including me, and the German guy, well, he wasn't listening to anyone at all, never had according to the other German jumpers Unsure
Hopefully he learns from this then.

Well, I hope he got an A for effort.


pirana  (D 30661)

Oct 16, 2007, 11:23 AM
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Ground at 30. Did it 2 weekends ago.

Yes, I learned a lesson.

1st mistake was putting myself in a tight spot. 2nd mistake was trying to flat turn w/o enough altitude. Should have just taken it crosswind.


Premier PhreeZone  (D License)
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Oct 16, 2007, 12:30 PM
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Ground at 30 is more likely to be fatal.

Let stick to the original incident...


freeatlast  (C 33030)

Oct 17, 2007, 4:27 AM
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Hopefully he learns from this then.

Well he'll certainly have some free time to think about it ...


BenediktDE

Oct 17, 2007, 6:19 AM
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The landing in question is at the end of the video at 7:19. There is another landing of the same jumper at 2:59 into the video.
In both landings he used his toggles to do low (or too low) turns. - Did he know about riser inputs? Ever did a canopy control course?


tbrown  (D 6533)

Oct 20, 2007, 9:09 PM
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ouch!!! tough landing (s).....
wonderful video

brought back many good memories of shooting downwind accuracy with round mains,,,CoolWinkSmile

and jumping T 10 static line rigs.....

The verrrry end of you video catches a jumper
s-folding his round main onto his arms, with the chestmount reserve slung to the side,,, as was the norm 25 years ago,,,, during accuracy meets... ONLY this time ,, the jumper in question must have snagged the reserve ripcord.. because I noticed the orange and white reserve spilling out from under his main....
very nice video...

thanks for sharing.
i hope the broken leg heals quickly..

jmy in rochesterSmile

Good eye Jimmy, first time through I thought that was a sleeve for the PC, but you're right, it was the reserve.

Thanks so much for the lovely shots of the PC, it brings back so many memories of the old days that Jimmy and I remember in upstate NY way back when. No wind days were GREAT days for round accuracy, even with a cheapo.

Hope the injured guy heals up soon too.


Guinness_fr  (D 109579)

Oct 23, 2007, 4:13 AM
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In both landings he used his toggles to do low (or too low) turns. - Did he know about riser inputs? Ever did a canopy control course?

When low, it's always your best bet to use your toggles rather than your risers, the trick is to learn how to use them before you ever need to.



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