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aykay  (E License)

Apr 19, 2004, 5:14 AM
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A guy had an off DZ spot last week. At around 2500 feet his factory diver fogged up. He chose to keep it on with fogged visor in case he had a hard landing. Seems strange coz it would be easier to land if he could see where he was going. He ended up seeing a single power line too late and sliced some lines off his canopy. Other wise hes ok. He has about 85 jumps and flies a 150. Would you have ditched the helmet or kept it on in case of crash landing?


skydiven4fun  (D 25506)

Apr 19, 2004, 5:18 AM
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Ditch the helmet so I can see.


Premier slotperfect  (D 13014)

Apr 19, 2004, 5:24 AM
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Mine has only fogged up a coupla times. I just tipped it back on my head so I could see.


jumperconway  (D 24335)

Apr 19, 2004, 5:54 AM
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Perfect example of why you spend the extra $ and get an Oxygn with a flip-up visor! Glad he didn't get hurt.


Premier ianmdrennan  (D 25821)
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Apr 19, 2004, 6:04 AM
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Would you have ditched the helmet or kept it on in case of crash landing?

I'd have taken it off for sure. Doesn't seem any safer to keep the helmet on and not see where you're going IMO.

Blue skies
Ian


Squeak  (E 1313)

Apr 19, 2004, 6:24 AM
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what's wrong with taking it off and cliping it on your chest strap?


ladyskydiver

Apr 19, 2004, 6:40 AM
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Factory Divers do not have clips to be able to do that. They just have a velcro thing on the side to tighten up the helmet.


Premier skymama  (D 26699)
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Apr 19, 2004, 6:44 AM
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what's wrong with taking it off and cliping it on your chest strap?

On the Factory Diver I have, there's nothing on it that you can clip something to it.


weegegirl  (D License)

Apr 19, 2004, 7:03 AM
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I bet his canopy replacement and medical bills would be more expensive than replacing a helmet. I would have dropped the helmet. Better to be safe and be able to see where you are flying. I wear a freefly helmet... never worn a fullface... is this fog problem common?


meatbomb  (D 100967)

Apr 19, 2004, 7:18 AM
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is this fog problem common?

In colder climates definitely. This is the most important reason why you must have your 'B' Licence to jump a full-face in the UK. (The idea being that you have a bit more experience to be able to deal situations like this when they happen)


packerboy  (C 34282)

Apr 19, 2004, 7:24 AM
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This has been an issue at our dropzone as well, in one case, a jumper found it hard to undo the velcro on the sides of the helmet because he was wearing gloves.

Dump the helmet if you can! More than likely you will find the helmet intact if you are worried about losing it. There was another thread not too long ago about 300 way jumpers dumping their helmet in freefall and apparantly most were recovered usable.

Cost of losing a helmet should not come into play. As for smacking your head on landing, I'm sure the chance of that happpening is reduced greatly if you can see.


Hazarrd

Apr 19, 2004, 7:27 AM
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I bet his canopy replacement and medical bills would be more expensive than replacing a helmet. I would have dropped the helmet. Better to be safe and be able to see where you are flying. I wear a freefly helmet... never worn a fullface... is this fog problem common?

i dont think he kept the helmet to save the money. i think the original post says he wanted it on to protect his head in case of a crash landing. i still don't see why you would keep it if you cant see anything...


nbblood  (D 26355)

Apr 19, 2004, 7:28 AM
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is this fog problem common?

I had a Factory Diver and this happened to me all the time in Utah, particularly in the colder months. I also had problems in the summer in humid climates, but not so bad.

I took it off and turned it around on my head under canopy. Just have to be really careful not to drop it and make sure your first priority is flying the canopy. The helmet can become a dangerous earthbound missile if not careful.

I have since ditched the factory diver and now have a Z1 for this very reason. I didn't like taking the chance to drop the helmet, giving up what protection it offered, and most of all, not being able to see like I should, even temporarily.

Blues,
Nathan


aykay  (E License)

Apr 19, 2004, 9:04 AM
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I think he tried to get the visor off but found it too difficult. Pirate


jumpergirl  (D 22691)

Apr 19, 2004, 9:06 AM
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I have a Factory Diver too and have had this problem in the past. I have had no problem taking it off, or at the very least tipping it up to see where I am and what's around me. I would much rather replace a helmat that fell off of my head than to pay doctor bills anyday!


SuFantasma  (D 26267)

Apr 19, 2004, 9:35 AM
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I guess he evidence is self-explanatory. Land safely at any cost.


GravityGirl  (D 18897)

Apr 19, 2004, 10:02 AM
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I think he tried to get the visor off but found it too difficult. Pirate

Food for thought:

If he had a canopy more suitable to his experience level, do you think he would have had more time to deal with this issue?

A 150 drops out of the sky quite a bit quicker than a 170. It leaves significantly less decision time.

Decision time for set up and in the pattern are the biggest considerations when downsizing, IMHO.


Ron

Apr 19, 2004, 10:25 AM
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A guy had an off DZ spot last week. At around 2500 feet his factory diver fogged up. He chose to keep it on with fogged visor in case he had a hard landing

Kepp a fogged visor on incase you have a hard landing...There by increasing the chance of a hard landing, or get rid of it, increasing the chance of not needing it?

Seems like this jumper was more afraid of skydiving without his sftey toy, than actually preventing the accident in the first place.

Folks, get rid of the damn helmet if you can't see where you are going. Woudl you drive if your window was fogged?

This is why I have a Oxygen...I never flip it up and treat it like a regular helmet, unless if gets fogged up.


hobbes4star  (B 24739)

Apr 19, 2004, 11:40 AM
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That visor should have come right off. i jump a factory diver and have had this problem multiply times. you can pull the visor right off the helmet and stow it in your jumpsuit.


jumperconway  (D 24335)

Apr 19, 2004, 11:53 AM
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There was another thread not too long ago about 300 way jumpers dumping their helmet in freefall and apparantly most were recovered usable.


The only thing I heard about at Eloy were just ripping off lenses, not helmets.


tattoojeff  (A License)

Apr 19, 2004, 12:03 PM
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absolutly ditch the helmut. keeping makes no sense at all. he made a very bad decision that almost killed him. wow!!! the things we do huh?


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Apr 19, 2004, 12:41 PM
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>he made a very bad decision that almost killed him.

Agreed. An interesting case of gear dependency. He was so dependent on the helmet to "protect him" that he did not want to take it off, and so caused an even more dangerous situation. If this guy were at my DZ I'd recommend he do a few jumps without a helmet to prove to himself that he can safely land without one.


(This post was edited by billvon on Apr 19, 2004, 12:42 PM)


linzi  (D 27824)

Apr 19, 2004, 12:43 PM
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Mate of mines visor fogged up the other day, she couldnt get it undone for some reasons, cold hands or gloves or whatever.

She landed fine with it still on, lifted the edge up a bit and got it a bit clearer, enough to land.

Makes me glad i dont jump a fullface would scare the shit out of me


fudd  (C License)

Apr 19, 2004, 2:40 PM
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I've had googles fog/freeze up as well as my Z1.
With googles I allways but the elastics over my ears and not above. This makes it easy to pull them down to your neck even when wearing a helmet.

Had my Z1 ice up completely in freefall once. Had to open it up in freefall to see my altimeter. Kept my contacts on though...

I'll say the lesson here is to practice on the ground how to clear googles/helmets so you can see if they freeze/fog up. A little to late to start figuring out how to get that visir open once in the air. What if he had had a malfunction!


douwanto  (D 23851)

Apr 19, 2004, 3:23 PM
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Breeth in through your nose and out into the padding around yout mouth it will defog the visor Has worked well for me for 7 years in Z1 and factory divers.

Chris


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