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taz9420  (D 26425)

Jan 5, 2004, 10:26 PM
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I've just ordered the new Aerodyne container along with a Pilot 150 and Smart Reserve. Good Choice or Bad Move? All opinions welcomed. Wink


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Premier GravityGirl  (D 18897)

Jan 5, 2004, 10:35 PM
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You're not having buyers remorse are you Linc?Cool


NightJumper  (D License)

Jan 5, 2004, 10:35 PM
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I've just ordered the new Aerodyne container along with a Pilot 150 and Smart Reserve. Good Choice or Bad Move? All opinions welcomed.

Isn't that a question that you should have asked before you ordered?Tongue

I don't think you can go wrong ordering from any of the top manufacturer's. It's just a matter of preference and options to fit your needs and desires.

Congrats and enjoy.


taz9420  (D 26425)

Jan 5, 2004, 10:51 PM
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Buyers regret??? nah. All reviews of the product have been positive. Just for giggles and laughs, sometimes I like to see what people say.
Your expertise on everything I've been involved with the sport have been right on. NO REGRETS. Thanks Gravity Girl.Smile


kuwait_is_hell  (A 6064)

Jan 6, 2004, 2:34 AM
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Hope you enjoy your new rig.

I'm thinking of buying a Pilot - would be interested to hear of anyone's experience. I have heard that it is very similar to the hornet - as far as I know Aerodyne are a good company. Shame that PISA (Parachute Industries of South Africa) don't still manufacture it because it was a hell of a lot cheaper. I reckon a new system from Aerodyne comes at around $6500 and that is without Cypres.


skygod7777  (D 24081)

Jan 6, 2004, 4:36 AM
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I reckon a new system from Aerodyne comes at around $6500 and that is without Cypres.


i was just talking to someone this past weekend about this, and i guess aerodyne is putting together a kick ass deal if you buy a complete system from them (excluding the cypres) for like 3 grand.

later


wingnut  (D 27688)

Jan 6, 2004, 5:21 AM
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yup i had the same deal offered to me complete system for like 2600 wel that is withought cypress but that's a "personal choice" type thing... i saw thire demos at eloy over christmas and jumped a pilot 124. i liked it. the turns were crisp and very responsive and there was lots of flare for me.. think the rep said the deal was going on untill the 31st of jan thrugh square 2. if i had the money i would do it but looks like my plans for a racer in feb/ march will have to do. i realy liked the container it was pretty comfortable.. didn't get to demo one of the reserves though.... i say congrats and enjoy the rig!! wish i could get one...


ReLLiK75  (A 186037)

Jan 6, 2004, 6:48 AM
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I called Square 1 and asked about the system and they verified that a complete system minus AAD is around $3400. I asked them to compare the flight characteristics of the Pilot to a Sabre2 and they said the two are very similiar.

I'd really like to get a new container right now--something that will take an AAD as my current container will not, nor can it be retrofitted to take one. It seems like the Icon gives you the most bang for your buck. A container with all the options is $1400. My problem is that I'm flying a Falcon 215 and I'm quite comfortable with it. I'll break 100 jumps in the next month, but I'm in no hurry to downsize. I'd just hate to buy a new container sized for my 215, but then not be able to use it when I downsize. I don't even know what I want to downsize to yet. I need to demo a Sabre and a Pilot and decide on something.


michaelflying  (D 886)

Jan 6, 2004, 7:22 AM
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should have gone for a vortex 2 and huricane but too late she cried


Clownburner  (B 26842)

Jan 6, 2004, 10:12 AM
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The Icon looked like a pretty nice system. I've got a brand-new Vector3 so I'm not in the market, but it looks like a solid choice. Like others have said, I don't think you can go too wrong with the top-tier manufacturers, it comes down to preference.

As for the Pilot, I've heard good things. My demo on the pilot didn't go so well, but the canopy was out of trim and had over-long brake lines, so it wasn't a fair test. I will probably demo another Pilot when I'm closer to getting a new canopy.

Haven't heard a lot of feedback on the Smart reserve, but if you do a search here, I'm sure you can find someone who rode one down already... Wink


sunshine  (D License)

Jan 6, 2004, 12:21 PM
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As for the Pilot, I've heard good things. My demo on the pilot didn't go so well, but the canopy was out of trim and had over-long brake lines, so it wasn't a fair test. I will probably demo another Pilot when I'm closer to getting a new canopy.

Umm...are you serious? I'm truly shocked that a manufacturer would have a demo canopy that is out of trim...seems they would monitor that kind of stuff. To me it's inexcusable to be allowing jumpers to demo out of trim gear.


AndyMan  (D 25698)

Jan 6, 2004, 2:29 PM
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Umm...are you serious? I'm truly shocked that a manufacturer would have a demo canopy that is out of trim...seems

Every Icarus demo I've ever jumped was badly out of trim. I suspect a Saber2 I once demo'd was also in pretty bad shape, but I didn't measure it.

Sadly that is a common problem.

_Am


skygod7777  (D 24081)

Jan 6, 2004, 2:51 PM
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Umm...are you serious? I'm truly shocked that a manufacturer would have a demo canopy that is out of trim...seems they would monitor that kind of stuff. To me it's inexcusable to be allowing jumpers to demo out of trim gear.

i have seen a stilleto demo that had way too short brake lines, and the outter A lines being really short. everyone said they still flew fine, just bucked when they did a hook turn.

i had a comp cobalt some to me the same way, but it flew like shit and opened like shit. but i think that's a common thing with coblats (sorry the people who like them, but i just don't care for them)

later


Clownburner  (B 26842)

Jan 6, 2004, 3:29 PM
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Umm...are you serious? I'm truly shocked that a manufacturer would have a demo canopy that is out of trim...seems they would monitor that kind of stuff. To me it's inexcusable to be allowing jumpers to demo out of trim gear.

It was brand new from the factory, and the brake lines were set WAAAY too long. It didn't even respond to input until my hands were below my shoulders. Crazy As you can imagine, the flare didn't go as well as originally planned. A well-timed PLF prevented any injury, although I did spend a good hour brushing the desert out of my rig. Wink In any case, I don't hold it against the design of the canopy.


diablopilot  (D License)

Jan 6, 2004, 3:52 PM
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I'm thinking of buying a Pilot - would be interested to hear of anyone's experience. I have heard that it is very similar to the hornet - as far as I know Aerodyne are a good company.

It's a great canopy, but I wouldn't compare it to the Hornet. The Hornet has/had a tendency to open hard frequently, and the Pilot opens like "warm ice cream" (I stole that quote!)

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I reckon a new system from Aerodyne comes at around $6500 and that is without Cypres.

Don't know where you got that number, or if you're even talking about US dollars but the system from Aerodyne does not cost anywhere near that much.

The retail cost of a Pilot main, Smart reserve, and Icon container comes to $4197, and through the month of January if you hook up with certain dealers like this one you can get the same system for less than $3200. Screamin' deal if you ask me.

PM me for more info if you like.


helldog  (D 28666)

Jan 6, 2004, 4:37 PM
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I had a opportunity to ride the Smart reserve after having lines break on a new mainMad. Nice opening (real fast thank god and my rigger) lot longer glide than the canopy i had by flying decent flare.
Blue Ones
Jim


Premier GravityGirl  (D 18897)

Jan 6, 2004, 6:46 PM
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I did a demo jump on the Smart 120. (I mean you can't sell something unless you've jumped it yourself, right.)

Awesome on the flare. Good glide, but you can sink it also. Flys like a Triathalon. IMHO.

The reinforcements are tough and it is TSOd to industry standards. I'ld jump one in my top tray any day.

And since JP snuck it in there, I know of another company in Nor Cal offering a great introductory offer for the month of January WinkAngelicCool


Kolla  (D License)

Jan 6, 2004, 8:28 PM
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All PD demos get inspected going between customers - and I know that goes for many other manufacturers as well.
It really wouldn't make sense for a manufacturer to send out gear that is in bad shape as demo canopies/containers, as that wouldn't give the customer a proper idea of what it's all about.

I can of course only speak for the PD gear, and I know it is maintained by a lady that has worked for us for many years, she has been through rigger training as she wanted to learn more about the gear - and that woman is nothing short of anal when it comes to our demo canopies - they are her babies.
If any one of you ever has an issue with demos, please contact the manufacturer right away - we want to know about it right away so we can help you get the most out of your demo experience!

Blue ones,
Kolla


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Jan 8, 2004, 12:27 AM
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I don't know about the container. I was offered one at 50% off with options but went for a Mirage G4 staff deal. (40% off Base)
That desision cost me about $400 more for fewer options but I think it was worth it getting a known quantity.

The Pilot's I've seen at our DZ are by far the most stable canopy I've ever seen, and the openings are really really consistant. Generally I'd consider it "boring" which is why it's my 1st choice for a Birdman rig I'll be building this year.

The Smart is new. I suspect it's an evolution of the Tempo - which has performed well for me on several occasions over the years. If pressed to buy a reserve right now, I'd probably go for a PD-R over a Smart, for the same reasons I chose a more proven harness.

In all probability, your gear will perform well. We get pickier as we get older. I've had my share of being on the "bleeding edge" of skydiving technology in the past, having jumped Nova's in the year they killed a bunch of people, and bought a Jonathan before I found out each one was different and that poor records were kept of line trims, etc. making them near impossible to maintain.

Good luck,

t


karlm

Jan 8, 2004, 2:21 AM
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To Aerodyne or Not To.

A few months back I was able to jump both the 168 Pilot and the 148 Vision, and was super impressed with the products, I only did a handful of jumps on each over two weekends of jumping.

Thiago from Aerodyne came to our DZ with his Icon Harness, and I was sold, there are some real neat design elements and safety aspects that I like.

If you go to the Aerodyne website and take a look at the company profile, you'll see a who's who of the skydiving equipment manufacturing scene. Aerodyne has enlisted the talents of some of the top guys out there, so you'll be certain that any product is 100% - and with the reliable background PISA as, you'll be sure of quality of workmanship.

Over the December period, Aerodyne sent three systems to the boogie I was at, there was a 117 Amax, 132 Vision, and a 168 Pilot (the Aerodyne guy took the rig for the 168 Pilot back as he was unhappy with a certain aspect of it) three jumpers demo'd the 168 Pilot and has nothing up good reveiws. Some found it a bit faster than there normal 170 canopy.

I was lucky enough to jump the 132 Vision in the Icon Harness for most of the boogie and was so impressed I have ordered my full system already, the harness fits great, packs easy, and is both free fly and FS friendly. Four other jumpers made use of the demo and were happy with both the harness and the main.

The Amax 117 - was jumped by a few who like the faster more radical side of life, and once we had mastered the packing, had a blast under canopy, two of those were in the market to buy a new canopy, and are now looking into the Amax.

Our DZ's TM has been jumping the new Gemini (Tandem Canopy) and is also happy with the product.

All in all the reveiws have been good, the openings consistent, the product solid.

I doubt anybody should worry about the products lack of track record, the guys behind it speak for themselves.

Well done to Aerodyne - look forward to the future developments.


vt1977  (D License)

Jan 8, 2004, 3:53 AM
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I got to jump the Pilot 140 and the Pilot 132 at Eloy and was super impressed with them. Ill definitely consider one when I come to get a new canopy!

Vicki


Pia  (B 2348)

Jan 9, 2004, 5:27 AM
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Im as happy as pig in poo with my Pilot 150 WinkLaugh


phoenixlpr  (D 3049)

Jan 9, 2004, 5:44 AM
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Would you be so kind and write some review at Gear section? Thanks.


Ron

Jan 9, 2004, 6:07 AM
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Im never the first on the block with a new toy...

While I am sure they are good pieces of equipment, I don't buy gear till it has been around about two years.

All the issues come out in two years.


Premier Tonto  (D 515)
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Jan 9, 2004, 6:58 AM
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In reply to:
should have gone for a vortex 2 and huricane but too late she cried

Interesting - since you've listed PISA gear in your profile...

t


Premier GravityGirl  (D 18897)

Jan 9, 2004, 11:15 AM
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Im never the first on the block with a new toy...

While I am sure they are good pieces of equipment, I don't buy gear till it has been around about two years.

All the issues come out in two years.

Does that mean you wouldn't have bought a Spectre or Sabre2 until it was on the market for two years? Just curious.

I usually am VERY conservative before I bring new products into my store. With the Aerodyne Line, I have made an exception for my normal "wait period". I believe in the company and the folks I know in the industry that are backing the line. Aerodyne has taken unpresidented steps in their manufacturing and corporate processes. After inspecting the craftsmanship up close and flying the gear my confidence in their products is quite high. So there you have it. My opinion. Worth what you paid for it! Wink


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VanillaSkyGirl

Jan 9, 2004, 11:33 AM
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In reply to:
Umm...are you serious? I'm truly shocked that a manufacturer would have a demo canopy that is out of trim...seems they would monitor that kind of stuff. To me it's inexcusable to be allowing jumpers to demo out of trim gear.

It was brand new from the factory, and the brake lines were set WAAAY too long. It didn't even respond to input until my hands were below my shoulders. Crazy As you can imagine, the flare didn't go as well as originally planned. A well-timed PLF prevented any injury, although I did spend a good hour brushing the desert out of my rig. Wink In any case, I don't hold it against the design of the canopy.

I was considering demoing a Pilot until you came up and explained what had just happened to you. It scared me to hear that. Pirate However, Vicki (from London) LOVED her Pilot demo! (Of course, it helped that it wasn't out of trim!)

Edited: What I was REALLY interested in seeing was the Icon container. It had some VERY unique safety features that I found interesting. Smile


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Jan 9, 2004, 11:41 AM
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I've jumped demos from every company but one or two and I've seen something wrong on demos from every company. I've recieved a Sabre2 that opened so hard I guess PD tore it up later, I've seen a Cobalt with a line worn so bad it was ready to snap, I've seen the wrong size slider installed on ceritan demos and I've also seen a canopy with its breaks set too short to flare past my chest with out stalling it.

Inspect every demo canopy before jumping it and pull high to learn it. You are a test jumper on the canopy while you are demoing it so remember that. It won't fly or land like anything you've tried before so learn from the canopy while you can in the air. If you have to double wrap the lines to flare properly, learn it up top. If it stalls at chest level learn that at 10k instead of at 1500 feet.


DrewEckhardt  (D 28461)

Jan 9, 2004, 1:16 PM
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I've just ordered the new Aerodyne container along with a Pilot 150 and Smart Reserve. Good Choice or Bad Move? All opinions welcomed. Wink

Provided that:
1. you demo'd the main first, found it to suit your tastes more than others in the same performance class, and won't mind the decreased resale value.

2. you demo'd the reserve first, found it to fly acceptably, crawled inside, and found the construction comparable to a PD (After watching a reserve without spanwise reinforcing tapes apart from at the tail seam split into 2&5 cell pieces and spin in, I'm a little particular about this).

It was a fine decision. Otherwise...


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lazyfrog

Jan 11, 2004, 7:55 PM
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the brake lines were set WAAAY too long. It didn't even respond to input until my hands were below my shoulders. As you can imagine, the flare didn't go as well as originally planned
did you do a control check after deployment ??? Not flaming (i'm nobody to to that...). Some manufacturers have longer brakes... The PD I jumped always had short brakes, every cm on the toggles had an influence. Now on my icarus saphire I have longer brakes, which I prefer


Ron

Jan 12, 2004, 3:31 AM
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Does that mean you wouldn't have bought a Spectre or Sabre2 until it was on the market for two years? Just curious.

Pretty much. However, I did test jumps on mains for two different companies. In those cases I knew I could get hurt/killed...But I also didn't buy the canopies, and I knew the risks.

PD has proven itself over and over in MY eyes, over many years...PD is one of the FEW exceptions to my rule.

But I would not buy gear from a new company...no matter what its past, or who is on it.

The Nova sounded like a good canopy when it came out.

Personal choice. But I plan on living till I am old.


Clownburner  (B 26842)

Jan 12, 2004, 10:19 AM
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did you do a control check after deployment ??? Not flaming (i'm nobody to to that...). Some manufacturers have longer brakes... The PD I jumped always had short brakes, every cm on the toggles had an influence. Now on my icarus saphire I have longer brakes, which I prefer

Yes, I did a control check. The canopy I was demoing was a very light wingloading (about 0.97:1). Like I said, I noticed the brake lines were long, but i did a half-dozen practice flares, and it felt like I could get a decent flare out of it. It turned fine, after you puiled the 8 inches of slack out of the lines. As it turns out, I was almost right. Wink A good PLF made up the difference, and it was no big deal, except for the 20 minutes brushing dirt out of my rig.

Like I said, it was out of spec but not uncontrollable.


hookitt  (D License)

Jan 12, 2004, 10:28 AM
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Did you think about taking a wrap to take up the slack in the steering lines?


dgskydive  (C 25738)

Jan 12, 2004, 4:16 PM
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The Pilot is way better then the Hornet. The big misconception right now is that the new Aerodyne canopies are copies of the old PISA canopies. THEY ARE NOT!
The Pilot blows the Hornet away IMHO. It is a GREAT canopy. I have put over 100 jumps on a 150 and never had a bad experince with it. It is a smart choice for anybody looking for a new canopy. Plus with the price you can't beat it anywhere.
I have also put a lot of jumps on ther 132 Vision. This is a great canopy as well. It is suppoesed to compete with the Stiletto. It falls short of that, but I would reccommend it to anyone just going to Elliptical canopies. It is very forgiving and lands really nice as well. It just needs to be flown harder then the Stiletto to get the same type of landing speed as the Stiletto. So far It has proven to be very reliable and easy to pack. I used it all through a big way camp and never had any issues with off heading openings. I would suggest it to anyone that is looking for more then a SABRE2 or Pilot but does not want to worry about the potential line twists that Stilettos seem to have. For the record I have jumped Stilettos and have not had a problem with line twists but that seems to be the biggest complaint about the Stiletto. Once again the price on the Vision blows the Stiletto away as well.


taz9420  (D 26425)

Jan 13, 2004, 9:25 AM
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Hey GravityGirl,
An anonymous individual sent me this yesterday:

Hi Taz,

Hope you don't mind me mailing you directly (Too lazy too get registered
on Dropzone.com).

I don't think you'll regret your choice. Unfortunately I can't speak
from my own experience, but this is some info I got.

Apparently the Icon is similar to the Atom Legend (not surprising as one
of the Aerodyne guys came from Parachute de France). A lot of people
over here are jumping Legends and are really pleased with them.

A friend of mine rented a Sabre2 for a few months and ordered one.
Because the Sabre had to go back he got a Pilot on loan and yesterday
did a lot of canopy control jumps on it. He likes it so much better he
is going to try to cancel his Sabre2 and get a Pilot instead. Not that
he thinks the Sabre is bad, but he likes the better glide ratio and
handling of the Pilot more.

The Pilot is trimmed flatter than the Sabre2 and the nose has a more
modern design which makes it fly faster (better airfoil). When the
canopy is flared the nose will deflect the air from inside the cells to
under the canopy, increasing lift (which makes for nice landings). As
told by a rigger who's a testjumper and canopy instructor.

Hope this puts your mind at ease a bit ;)

Kind regards,
<name removed at request of the person who wrote the email>
(Who hopes he won't regret buying a Sabre2)


(This post was edited by skybytch on Jan 14, 2004, 4:33 AM)


jmfreefly  (D License)

Jan 13, 2004, 10:39 AM
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The Smart is new. I suspect it's an evolution of the Tempo - which has performed well for me on several occasions over the years. If pressed to buy a reserve right now, I'd probably go for a PD-R over a Smart, for the same reasons I chose a more proven harness.

In fact, it is not an evolution of the Tempo (according to Aerodyne).

It is a new design, but a few of the designers came from PdF, makers of the Techno. I have heard that a lot of the design points of the Techno are similarly found in the SMART reserve.


ACMESkydiver  (B License)

Jan 13, 2004, 10:55 AM
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-How were the landings? Did you have to run them out or could you stop? I'm concerned that the landings may be too speedy for me...Unimpressed I jumped a Hornet and the landings were fun (lots o' glide) but a smidgey quick...but I only jumped the thing twice in zero wind and I'm fairly new to the sport.


Premier GravityGirl  (D 18897)

Jan 13, 2004, 12:57 PM
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-How were the landings? Did you have to run them out or could you stop? I'm concerned that the landings may be too speedy for me...Unimpressed I jumped a Hornet and the landings were fun (lots o' glide) but a smidgey quick...but I only jumped the thing twice in zero wind and I'm fairly new to the sport.

Not sure if you mean the Pilot or the Smart. I jumped both in a 120 size. I weight about 150+ with gear.

Both had great flare. Tip toe landings. The Pilot cannot be compared to any other main I have jumped. Certainly not the Hornet. After jumping the Hornet, I chose not to carry them in the shop. After watching them in the field, I continually reaffirmed my decision.


dgskydive  (C 25738)

Jan 13, 2004, 1:52 PM
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In fact, it is not an evolution of the Tempo (according to Aerodyne).


Correct it is built on the Triathlon Planform. So all of you Tri pilots out there should love the Smart


vt1977  (D License)

Jan 14, 2004, 2:49 AM
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How were the landings? Did you have to run them out or could you stop? I'm concerned that the landings may be too speedy for me... Unimpressed

I jumped the Pilot 140 and 132. My usual canopy is a Spectre 135 (only 30ish jumps on that) and before that a Sabre (1) 135 (300ish jumps on that).

I found that the Pilot opening was softer and smoother than the Spectre (no, I didnt believe it was possible either) but took less altitude to open if that makes sense.

The landings were really, really easy much nicer feel to them than my Sabre or Spectre. I cant remember which was round it was, but I jumped one of them in nil winds which at Eloy (bear in mind I am used to jumping at sea level) and that felt fast but the flare was beautiful and I didnt have to run it out as much as I thought I would. I jumped the other in fairly strong winds and the landing was equally easy lovely and smooth.

I liked the Pilot a lot and I will be very seriously considering one when I choose a new main! Smile

Vicki


dgskydive  (C 25738)

Jan 14, 2004, 9:19 AM
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You will really like it. The only down side is that it has less of a resale value if you are thinking of downsizing again. In that way the Sabre2 may be the way to go for you.
Although as you can see by the forum here that a lot of folks are learning about the Pilot and loving them once they get there hands on one. So my guess is you are going to start to see a lot of them out there real soon.


ACMESkydiver  (B License)

Jan 14, 2004, 9:51 AM
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I did speak to some people over in Florida at Aerodyne...they've re-structured the steering line group on the Triathlons to have easier toggle input for turns and add a bunch of flare...and I know I could jump and enjoy a Triathlon. I've changed my mind (again Crazy) and will be putting in my order for a Triathlon here today or tomorrow, depending on when I can get measured for the rig.

I might get a Pilot on the next go-around, but for this time, the Tri will work just great! And my hubby is ITCHIN' to start jumping again...and when he does get his license, I can give him the Tri and I can look at a different canopy then , perhaps. Smile


aubsmell  (D 25066)

Jan 14, 2004, 2:53 PM
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This may be a day late and a dollar short, looks like these quotes are about a week old, but I don't get on here as much as I'd like too. I saw before that a guy jumped my Pilot 210 at Eloy and had some problems with it. I told him that it was a brand new canopy, and he was the first to jump it, and that was the case. I didn't let another person there jump it, I packed it up and sent it home. My first day back here, after a full inspection of the canopy by our rigger Cliff, I took a ride over to the drop zone with said canopy and another demo 210 to compair them. As he said it was a little funky and unresponsive. That had nothing to do with the trim, I checked the trim and the leading edge for shrink, everything was cool.
The second Pilot 210 was as crisp as fresh lettuce. All of my demos are brand new, but as most of you know, and Kolla you can back me up on this canopies are freaky, they can look exactly the same, smell the same, and have all the same measurements and still fly differently.
And as far as the field demos go, they don't get quite the care and maintenance as kollas in house, mail'em out one at a time demos. Because they go boogie to boogie get jumped by a bunch of people at each boogie, and only get relined and checked over fully a couple of times a year at best, or when a customer complains.
For instance one time when I worked for PD, I had a brand new Sabre2 and one guy jumped it and said "man I think this has a built in right turn" and then another guy jumped it and said "Aubrey I think this has a built in left turn" So of course I thought it was just loose leg straps or something, and it was a popular size and it got jumped a lot with no complaints, but over a couple of boogies I heard both complaints a couple more times, both left and right. So finally I took it to be test jumped back in Deland, then I read the testing data card, it said the inflation was okay, but with the breaks stoed it turned left X amount of degrees in so many seconds, and with the breaks unstoed it turned right so many degrees in so many seconds! So for like three boogies I was giving out a canopy with a built in Left AND Right turn. So there is no real way to be perfect.
Either way, as long as a company takes responsibility for any demo issues and good care of their demo products I think you are in good hands, and we certainly try to keep them in the best shape possible with routine maintenance, and timely inspections. However all the manufacturers do appriciate when someone telles them if they do have a problem, that way we can fix it, it does us no good to not keep our customers safe and see to their needs.
And back to Kollas demo lady Juanita, she is the bomb, but my rigger Cliff could actually probibly beat her in four rounds of Jello wrestleing. (actually I think they'd make a good couple)

http://www.aerodyne-int.com


diablopilot  (D License)

Jan 14, 2004, 4:04 PM
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Damn' I was wondering when you'd show up.

There goes the neighborhood.

CoolWink


dgskydive  (C 25738)

Jan 14, 2004, 4:56 PM
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Now someone that is getting paid to talk about Aerodyne can do some work around here! Wink My fingers are tired from all the pm's I have been answering. What up Aubrey!?!?


Kolla  (D License)

Jan 14, 2004, 5:55 PM
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Bring on the Jello.... LOL Laugh

But Aubrey is right - we are working with canopies that are made by hand, out of fabric - and even when everything measures up perfectly things can still feel a bit odd.
Some of them have a bit of a character - and just like with people that can be a good or a bad thing.

The bottom line remains the same - whoever sold you the canopy wants you to be happy with it!
If you are not, or have any problems, let us know about it so that we can take care of you and square things away.
We are jumpers too.... we understand Smile

And Aubrey.... - that little button that says "check spelling"... use it Tongue

Bloooos!
Kolla


aubsmell  (D 25066)

Jan 15, 2004, 7:57 AM
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Einstein couldn't spell either. I was never hooked on phonics, it's too confusing, for instance why do they spell Fonics with a P?


KellyF  (D 13826)

Jan 15, 2004, 8:23 AM
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But Aubrey is right - we are working with canopies that are made by hand, out of fabric - and even when everything measures up perfectly things can still feel a bit odd.
Some of them have a bit of a character - and just like with people that can be a good or a bad thing.
One of the things that I try to remind of when they complain about openings, is that you are basically taking a bunch of fabric and line and throwing it into turbulent ~120mph wind and expecting it to sort itself out exactly the same way every time. It's a miracle that they open as consistanly as they do!Wink


hymandd732  (C 5052)

Oct 23, 2004, 5:40 PM
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I just purchased an Icon, Triathlon 210, Smart 190 reserve with Cypres for $4822. Now the bad news. There is no way that the 210 fits in the container. You can get it in the bag with a mighty effort but then in order to close the container you must put a longer closing loop and even then the grommet is way below the flaps. Damn shame. I am going after the mfr for a correction.Pirate[reply]


RyanofOZ  (A License)

Oct 25, 2004, 4:34 AM
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Thats how I have to fit my Spectre 210 in my I6 Its tight as all hell.


NickB  (C 34412)

Oct 25, 2004, 11:26 AM
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Just out of curiousity, what container size did you purchase? I assume you ordered an I6. If that is the case, both canopies you chose are the max size you can fit into that container and it should be tight, but should still be able to fit. Please contact me directly as I will do everything I can do get this problem sorted out for you.
Nick

Nick Bosco
Sales Representative
North & South America
Aerodyne Research Corporation
12649 Race Track Road
Tampa, FL 33626

Tel. +1 813 891-6300
Fax. +1 813 891-6315
Mobile +1 813 679-7190
n.bosco@aerodyne-int.com
www.aerodyne-int.com


Vallerina  (C License)

Oct 25, 2004, 11:37 AM
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My Icon and Smart Reserve are so gorgeous, and I can't wait to jump them!

My only comments so far are great customer service for putting up with my shit! Everything was in by the estimated time of arrival that they gave me upon ordering.

I can't really comment on the rig yet since I haven't jumped it....

Oh...and the salesmen are hot! Tongue


Fab  (C License)

Oct 25, 2004, 1:42 PM
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I have ordered an Aerodyne icon+pilot+smart also... :)

How's Aerodyne doing on delivery times? How long did you have to wait Vallerina?


Malta_Dog

Oct 26, 2004, 12:36 AM
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Hehe I've ordered the same setup:
Icon I6 + Pilot 188 + Smart 190.

Icon and Pilot are completely black.

I can't wait to jump my own rig (and to lose some lbs of body fat trying to pack it...).


John4455  (D 22657)

Oct 26, 2004, 4:51 AM
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I am waiting for my new Aerodyne complete rig also. Its been about 6-7 weeks now. I am starting to see more and more Icons and Pilots around the dropzone. The Icon is really a great looking container, and everybody that has bought one really loves the Pilot. I can't wait to fly mine.


Fab  (C License)

Oct 26, 2004, 11:27 AM
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Unsure

Just got a mail that due to a shortage of royal blue fabrics at Aerodyne I will probably have to wait a few weeks longer then normal for my rig...or I have to choose different colors....Damn...now I'm unhappy Frown


John4455  (D 22657)

Oct 26, 2004, 11:48 AM
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Is the royal blue on the canopy or the container?


Fab  (C License)

Oct 26, 2004, 11:53 AM
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I assume they were talking about the canopy as I only have royal blue logo's on my container..the rest is black. My canopy is all royal blue with one bar neon yellow and one bar navy blue..Mad


tbrown  (D 6533)

Oct 26, 2004, 6:45 PM
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I just got a 210 Pilot, which I load at about 1.2. Compared to my Spectre, I'd say the opening is as nice, but not as long. Kind of a "majestic mush" that's easy on the body. I love the way it flies with a long flat glide. And I've had harder landings getting out of bed in the morning.

I think the Smart looks like a really good reserve and would probably buy one if I were in the market for a new reserve. But my PD193 is just fine and I have to work for a living, so I'll be keeping it and my Javelin for years to come. I think it's great to see a company offer some real quality competition on the market, which will keep PD (a company I hold in the highest respect) sharp as well.


Evelyn  (C License)

Oct 26, 2004, 7:32 PM
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I just got my new gear. A 150 Pilot canopy, wing loading 1:1. Put 7 jumps on it this weekend and every landing was great. I've never had so many good landings in a row, and I had been demoing the Pilot 150, maybe it was just the difference between demo gear and a brand new canopy, or the fact that I didn't want to get my new, own gear dirty. Whatever, I love my new Pilot canopy! Sly BTW, got smart reserve, but haven't used it yet Tongue.


Ron

Oct 27, 2004, 5:01 AM
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I don't know much about the equipment, but I have been told they are good.

I DO know some of the guys working there (Bushman and Jodie) And I trust them.


NickB  (C 34412)

Oct 27, 2004, 10:24 AM
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The delay on royal blue is with the Zero-P fabric. We still have the royal blue in cordura and parapack. I would like to apologize for the inconvenience. If you decide to go ahead with the colors and your container and reserve get there before your main, please have them packed up and contact me to see if i can get you a demo. Thank you for your patience.

Nick Bosco
Sales Representative
North & South America
Aerodyne Research Corporation
12649 Race Track Road
Tampa, FL 33626

Tel. +1 813 891-6300
Fax. +1 813 891-6315
Mobile +1 813 679-7190
n.bosco@aerodyne-int.com
www.aerodyne-int.com


(This post was edited by NickB on Oct 27, 2004, 12:41 PM)



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