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drewboo  (D 8106)

Sep 15, 2003, 4:55 AM
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 How many people have jumped a tri-angle...ex. the Thunderbow. Ive got a few jumps on a Thunderbow, probably a half dozen or so...anyone else?
There is still one that makes an appearence at the ranch every 5 or 6 years..a jumper has one and jumps it for old times sake.


skypuppy  (D 347)

Sep 15, 2003, 6:12 AM
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A guy I know from Russia is still jumping a Russian triangular reserve... From what I heard it has excellent forward speed and opening charcteristics...


usedtajump  (D 6813)

Sep 15, 2003, 6:33 AM
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I used to own a Paradactyl and got about 15 jumps on it before it just got too scary, besides, the openings were almost unsurvivable.


jimmytavino  (A 3914)

Sep 15, 2003, 7:10 AM
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How many people have jumped a tri-angle...ex. the Thunderbow. Ive got a few jumps on a Thunderbow, probably a half dozen or so...anyone else?
There is still one that makes an appearence at the ranch every 5 or 6 years..a jumper has one and jumps it for old times sake.

UnimpressedShockedCrazyUnsure.... Years ago I knew 3 different jumpers who jumped a "Delta II Para Wing"
Jimmy Parker and Paul Campbell at Seneca Falls NY
both made many hundreds of jumps on one.....and Bob Peavey in Rochester jumped one for a couple of years....They were symetrical triangles,, and looked like an early version hang glider,, without the ribs, and frame...
There was a long "packing band" and color coded lines,,, and as we packed them,, we would "flake" the canopy, bring in a set of lines, and WRAP this band around them,, ShockedCrazyUnsure then bring in the next set of lines, and do another wrap, as the band became shorter and shorter.... Then bag it, stow the suspension lines and "go jumpin'"..hahaha.. I made about a dozen jumps on my friends' delta II's ,and had great landings each time.... the windier the better, it seemed,, since it was hard to slow down the forward speed,, and they really didn't "flare"....
I jumped one on a cross country once,, while the other 3 members of the dive, jumped strato stars and 7 cell clouds,,,, I was the last out,,but opened lowest,,,,( sub terminal openings did NOT work well for that Packing strap UnsureCrazyTongue )
We were approx. 8 miles north of the DZ... I out floated all the squares,,, and was the only one to "get back " to the pea gravel...TongueWink
. Openings were "iffy" though,,,, and the canopy sort of faded out as the "ram airs" came on the scene... Another club member was an early owner of the "Paradactyl"... which was a bit smaller and had a more sensible packing procedure...but I never jumped the "Dactyl"...
I learned early not to "press my luck " in this sport,,,,,,,,,, and that has made ALL the difference....

skydive softly, skydive often, skydive with friends


chuteless  (D 41)

Sep 15, 2003, 7:34 AM
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I used a Delta II Parawing, which is the canopy described in theprevious reply. I made hundreds of jumps on it, and only had 1 malfunction. It was Americans made by Irvin, and I had about 7 or 8 Canadian made Irvin wings (same canopy) but they all were malfunction prone. These came out before squares, and they sure would forgive a bad spot. They flew well, opened well, and would out perform a Para Commander except for the landings in no winds. If there was a wind, you always had standup landings.

The "band" that he mentioned was called an OSI (opening shock inhibitor) and it was wrapped around color coded lines. It was a bulky chute, and required a three pin pack pack.

All in All, a great chute. I gave mine away for 1 jump about 5 years ago, and I still have some photos of it.That was the canopy I used on the Canadian High Akltitude record jump.


The Thunderbow was not really triangular...but much like a Para Commander.

Bill Cole D-41.


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mikkey  (D License)

Sep 15, 2003, 8:26 AM
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The Germans had a triangular student canopy which was popular in the 60's and 70's. Was called "Kone" or something like that. SL deployed AFAIK. Saw pictures in a book from the 70's.


drewboo  (D 8106)

Sep 15, 2003, 9:44 AM
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 I agree the Thunderbow might not have been a sharp-edged triangle...a little bit more rounded than that...but not quite a PC either...a crossbreed perhaps...but id call it a triangle.


nitecap  (D 130)

Sep 15, 2003, 10:25 AM
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CoolCoolThey really flew.
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chuteless  (D 41)

Sep 15, 2003, 10:39 AM
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The photo accompanying this thread is a Delta II Parawing. You can see the OSI hanging down at the rear. It measured about 7 inches by 36 inches, and was 1/4 inch thick.


Bill Cole D-41

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drewboo  (D 8106)

Sep 15, 2003, 11:20 AM
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Nice pic! Brings back memories.


airtwardo  (D License)

Sep 15, 2003, 7:46 PM
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I put about 25 jumps on mine...

I had the "Polish Pattern" Unimpressed

Red with the black arrow pointing forward....to tell me which way to go!

What was it again...RED line first??? Unsure

I cut the lines and hung it from the ceiling in my apartment in college....
Wish I still had it! Frown


fergs  (F 383)

Sep 15, 2003, 9:26 PM
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How many people have jumped a tri-angle...ex. the Thunderbow. Ive got a few jumps on a Thunderbow, probably a half dozen or so...anyone else?
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Yeah I had a T-bow (it was uncool to call them a thunderbow...) in the mnid 70's while living in New Guinea. It was my canopy between PC / Papillon and first square, a ring-and-rope Strato Star.

The T-bow was great fun - fun to fly - easy to pack - i always side packed it, not wanting to waste time splitting the two sides and dressing the panels.

Plus it was always an impressive looking canopy for displays. Sometimes the locals would ask what the arrow was for, to which my reply was always "so I know which way i'm going...".

The T-bow was a little unusual in that full drive was achieved with the toggles down about ear height. That would allow the nose to pop out and fuly inflate.

Backward flight was also easily accomplished.

I guess I made a hundred or so jumps on it.

Pic attached - Bill, it sure looks like a triangle to me ....hahaha

Blue Skies,

fergs Wink


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darkvapor

Sep 15, 2003, 10:26 PM
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A ram air triangular chute. Anyone jump anything like this?
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Premier cpoxon  (D 11665)
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Sep 16, 2003, 2:57 AM
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Is he a CRW jumper?


chuteless  (D 41)

Sep 16, 2003, 10:06 AM
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Okay...its a triangle with rounded corners hows that? Comnpare it with the Delta II Parawing photo on original thread entry. no rounded corners.

I jumped the Delta II for years...and at one air show, I had such a strong wind blowing up the rear of the chute, I had a very difficult time turning into the wind.

However, that is what make jumping so much fun....almost buying it....and then beating the odds.


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Bill Cole D-41



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steve1  (D 23640)

Sep 16, 2003, 11:44 AM
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A girl in our club, back in the 70's had a Thunderbow. I never jumped it, but it had the reputation of opening very reliably. I think the smokejumpers in Missoula were experimenting with a similiar design at one time........Steve1


fergs  (F 383)

Sep 16, 2003, 12:37 PM
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Okay...its a triangle with rounded corners hows that? Comnpare it with the Delta II Parawing photo on original thread entry. no rounded corners.
Bill Cole D-41

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OK Bill, I agree - rounded corners is the definition we'll all agree on, then! Wink

I never made any Delta II jumps - saw them cutaway from many times, tho - and guessd you must have had at least a few DeltaII malfunctions...

Blue Skies,

fergs
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skydiverek  (C 952)

Sep 16, 2003, 2:49 PM
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A guy I know from Russia is still jumping a Russian triangular reserve... From what I heard it has excellent forward speed and opening charcteristics...

I used to jump this equipement too. The container was called "Talka", main canopy was also called "Talka" and a reserve was called "Delta". The whole kit was called "TALKA". Got it, right? Smile Main was rectangular, reserve was triangular. There is no freebag, reserve is "freepacked". I have one reserve ride on it...

Smile


chuteless  (D 41)

Sep 16, 2003, 2:57 PM
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I only had one malfunction on the Delta II. Mine was USA made, but I owned 7 or 8 Canadian mades, and they were mal prone bigtime. I gave them away. A friend of mine had many mals on Canadian made Irvins.

I also jumped the Irvin Lazer (round) main chute. They were supplied to the Special Forces in Ecuador, and they had some lines sewn through the modifications, really messy work. When they were made as should be, they were a good round...much like the Para Commander.


gjhdiver  (D 7731)

Sep 18, 2003, 1:00 PM
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Heh.

I used to own a Delta II parawing. It was the most scary thing to see, pack and jump. It had two sprung glider pilot chutes and four pins and cones. it had a long webbing wrap that wound around the colored lines in a very exacting sequence. If you wrapped the wrong lines up, it wouldn't open at all. Once open, it was a trip though. It flew forward like a PC but spun like a square.

I also have a Paradactyl that I still jump from time to time, because I can fit it normal sport gear. I never take it to terminal though, as the openings are brutal. If anyone wants to jump it, just drop me a line, and I'll bring it out to Byron Boogie, if it hasn't rotted away in my cupboard by now...


mikkey  (D License)

Sep 19, 2003, 6:54 PM
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Attached is pic of the German Kohnke triangle student canopy. AFAIK it was only available for static line deployment. Picture is from the 70's (AFAIK).
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darkwing  (D 4164)

Sep 22, 2003, 5:26 AM
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Interesting that when jumping this triangle the pointy end goes to the rear. I think all other triangles wen't ponty-end first. Note all the patches on the canopy above the drive slot in the rear also.


tbrown  (D 6533)

Sep 22, 2003, 7:18 PM
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Years ago I knew 3 different jumpers who jumped a "Delta II Para Wing"
Jimmy Parker and Paul Campbell at Seneca Falls NY
both made many hundreds of jumps on one.....and Bob Peavey in Rochester jumped one for a couple of years
Thanks again Jimmy, I remember all three of those guys, even remember Paul Campbell and Jimmy Parker jumping those things (Paul was my JM on my first freefall). After the Delta II's, I seem to recall Paul got into a shortlined Para Sled, while Jimmy got a 7 cell foil - he was also the first person I ever saw use a slider, which he brought back from the '75 Nationals. I remember Peavy, but he always had a Strato Star when I knew him.

Wonder where those guys are now, they were the rock bottom salt of the earth types who made small Cessna DZ's happen in those days. Parker & Campbell were both Vietnam vets, so was Parker's brother Bobby (aka Dude), who set me up for my firstr jump on a Paracommander, a "Competition" PC the Seneca club owned. We'll never see the like of those days again, thank God (and you) for the memories.

On the triangle subject, there was also a "double keel" dactyl that Jim Hanbury built, it was like a Dactyl or Delta II, only it had two keels and so was sort of divided into thirds. The Visions team was jumping sky blue DK Dactyls in 1980, which really stood out, as everyone else had gone square by then.


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Oct 12, 2003, 9:13 AM
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I have a Thunderbow and a Delta II collecting dust in my loft.
The Delta II still has the OSI. I made four jumps with the OSI and three of those openings hurt, even though they were all hop and pops.
The gear bag containing the Delta II also contains a slider and a funny strap for the nose. So maybe next summer I will try jumping the Delta II again.

I also did one jump on a Paradactyl and thoroughly enjoyed it. The Paradactyl flew almost as well as some of the 1980-vintage squares.


dterrick  (B 5079)

Oct 15, 2003, 7:48 PM
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"Delta II Para Wing"

did it look anything like the attached photo?

This came from the Sept 1966 Popular Mechanics (p.90). I love my old magazines... the next best thing to having been there (I wasn't genetic material on ANY level in September 1966 Wink)

Dave
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chuteless  (D 41)

Oct 16, 2003, 6:22 AM
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that IS a Delta II Parawing. I had several, but most of the ones I had were given to me by Irvin Parachutres of Ft Erie, Ontario. I bought one from the USA and it was a fabulous chute. I only had 1 malfubction with it, and finally gave it away for one jump. I even included a reserve in the deal.

I used my USA Delta II on the hiugh altitude record jump.
I'm kinda sorry I still dont have it.


Bill Cole..


.Mad


dterrick  (B 5079)

Oct 16, 2003, 8:38 AM
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pointy bit forward, Bill?

In this photo it looks like the 'centre' lines are the 'spine' and the two triangle shaped sides are like rib cages. If this is so, I'm curious about how the risers were configured... 3 doesn;t go into 4 very well - are the centre lines doubled?

Are there any of these around anymore?

-Dave


billbooth  (D 3546)

Oct 16, 2003, 8:47 AM
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I put about 350 jumps on a Delta II. Overall, I loved it. It opened and landed softer than my PC, and glided almost 2 to 1. But what I really liked, was that it was exotic, and eveybody though I was crazy for jumping it. They thought the same thing when I got my first Paraplane (the first commercial ram-air) a year later.

In 1972, at the first RW nationals, I had to fight to be allowed to jump a ram-air, because everyone knew that you couldn't to RW with a ram air, because they opened too hard and "surged" on opening, taking up too much sky. I ended up being the only guy jumping a ram-air in a piggy back container (also a no-no) in the 10 way "speed" event. There were no sliders yet, and I WAS knocked unconscious in the last round, but I somehow lived through, it and proved them wrong.

The Delta II did have one glitch, though. It had separate "flaps" located underneath and near the center of the canopy, and if you pulled on the right toggle too hard from full flight, the damn thing would do a snap turn to the LEFT, and vice-versa...not a good thing at low altitude.


chuteless  (D 41)

Oct 16, 2003, 11:29 AM
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a second look at that picture tells me it may not be a Delta II, but the canopy seems to be the same. The giveaway was the absence of the OSI on the left side rear. Its missing. I think the other photo shows the OSI very clearly, and that for sure is the Delta II.


dumb me....not seeing that at first glance.

I agree too, that the openings were nice, and it would forgive a bad spot.Frown


jimp

Oct 16, 2003, 10:38 PM
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The original delta shaped and keeled parachute was designed by Francis Rogallo (the NASA scientist) as a means to recover satellites after re-entry, and I think that this is one of the early Rogallo wings developed for live drops in the '60s. Not long after, Irvin got hold of the design and brougt out the "Hawk", and a bit later the "Eagle".

In 1971 I bought an Irvin "Eagle" from a guy living on the north end of Vancouver Island. He installed separable "D" rings on the Security piggyback so he could wear a second reserve.

This example was made in 1967, if I remember correctly. It had an OSI retrofitted at one time, but no velcro to keep it from unwinding. Naturally enough, the openings were hard, especially at terminal. The gash above my chin from an especially brutal one healed without a scar, and the Maryland bridge is holding up well. After this. I learned to make sure that the harness was nice and snug, and I used to set up for opening by holding my hand palm down under my chin. This prevented the chest strap from nailing me in the face again.

A bit later we installed a velcro closure on the OSI to try to slow down the openings. this was sewn to a line which ran through a guide ring on an outboard line just below the OSI, then to a toggle on the rear riser, The idea being to release the OSI after opening. This worked ok for a few jumps, with some dampening of opening forces, but then the line jammed, resulting in a wildly spinning canopy and a cutaway (shot-and-a-halfs and a flat 24 foot reserve). Still wondering why, it happened again on the very next jump. Then it finally dawned on me that the guide ring was sewn too high up on the line; it was closer than the OSI was long, so the OSI pulled down and jammed on the ring without releasing. We soon fixed that and the system worked ok.

This was a fun canopy to jump, and great for demos. Landings were super soft, and made even softer by hauling down on the rear risers just before touchdown. I've lost track of the thing - I lent it to a guy and haven't seen him or the wing since.

I've also done 30 or 35 jumps on the Delta II, which were fun, but nothing quite matched the old Eagle for excitement


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annabates

Oct 19, 2003, 12:03 PM
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I had a yellow Thunderbow with a red arrow on it. Loved the thing. I traded it for a Paradactyl, which I hated. Triangular, but nothing like my old T-Bow. Long ago and far away -- back when I did things like jump out of perfectly good airplanes.


Premier wmw999  (D 6296)

Oct 19, 2003, 7:49 PM
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Were you Anna Keeling in the 1970's? If so, I do remember you. You jumped at Weiser and Spring Creek that I remember.

Wendy W.


BASE841  (D 16629)

Oct 29, 2003, 12:37 PM
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My first rig was a red & white Hanbury with a Piglet II round reserve and a color-matched Paradactyl main. I bought it in 1980 from the gear store at Perris, only 3 years old. Most DZs at the time had restrictions on who could jump a ram air. I chose the Dac because it performed almost as well as a square and packed TINY... and no one had a rule against it. Plus, I learned to fly a Dac from my Instructor at Perris, Larry "Peg Leg" Yohn, RIP.

Once I did a cross country at "Parachutes Are Fun" on Maryland's eastern shore, exited over the Bay Bridge and made it all the way back to Ridgely. I discovered my single keel Paradactyl would fly with the wind as fast as a Cloud but wouldn't penetrate any better than a round... go figure.

Out east, few people had ever seen a triangular Rogallo wing. When I jumped at a new DZ, my wife would love to listen to the people watching from the ground. "Ooh, that's a hairy line-over. Isn't he going to cut it? Oh my GOD he's going to try to LAND that thing!"

I only had a single malfunction, and I caused it. I wanted a snappier opening, so I detached the slider. I only snapped one suspension line on a HARD opening and still landed it stand-up! Ah, angels do look out for fools, huh? Yes, I put the slider back on after that.

I traded my Paradactyl five years ago to George Galloway of Precision for a hefty discount on my new Irarus Omega. I would have kept it, but it had so many jumps on it, the material was as porous as cheesecloth and I was getting some pounding landings.


CrazyDave  (Student)

Oct 30, 2003, 2:35 PM
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hmm i never knew that there were triangle parachutes... it does sound a lot like the handglider ones.. is it?


jaymundo  (D 22179)

Nov 3, 2003, 4:19 AM
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I had a Paradactyl for a while....No honking down on toggle pleaseShockedThat will give you about 3or4 more seconds of freefallUnsure


tulinov  (D License)

Nov 4, 2003, 6:35 AM
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Russian reserve is called PZ-81. It was most popular reserve in Russia about 10 years ago. (it saved me a couple of times :))
Now it mostly replaced by ram-air reserves but CRW jumpers still use it (because it works good even when main canopy is not cutted)
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skydiverek  (C 952)

Nov 4, 2003, 7:27 AM
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In reply to:
Russian reserve is called PZ-81. It was most popular reserve in Russia about 10 years ago. (it saved me a couple of times :))

Yup, it saved me once. Very light toogle pressure, not too hard landing for non ram-air canopy.

Smile


BASE841  (D 16629)

Nov 8, 2003, 7:31 AM
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Two other memories of the Paradactyl; I was told but never witnessed that the Dac was TSO'ed as a reserve. Larry Yohn was my source, as he considered a small RW rig with a pair of Paradactyls. As far as I know, he never made the rig.

The other was watching a BASE jumper take a double-keel Paradactyl off the New River Gorge Bridge about 10 years ago. It opened and flew just fine.


jonstark  (D 8298)

Nov 8, 2003, 8:48 AM
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Mike Barber of Deland had a rig that held two single keel Dactyls. It weighed about 14 pounds and was about an inch thick. Everybody was concerned with getting as light as possible to keep from going low and trying to get as thin and wide a profile to be less drag during a swoop to the formation. We were all "racing in the back". I jumped it a couple of times and was pretty wowed by the feeling of such a light rig. Almost like wearing nothing compared to my StratoStar/Tri-con rig of about 24 pounds.

I had a ThunderBow that I shortlined about 3' that opened and landed great. It was still just about as bulky as a PC so I didn't use it much. As a matter of fact I used to put it into a Piggly Wiggly bag with the risers taped to the top of it. I'd stash it under the pilots seat and after throwing three static line students out at 2800 would hook it up to my harness as the pilot took one more climbing orbit to let me out around 3200'. I'd climb out with the bag in my arms and hop off back to the wind and release the bag to watch it open. Always entertaining.

jon


Pilgrim

Nov 16, 2003, 3:41 AM
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Hi,
I found this group while getting nostalgic about skydiving. I learned skydiving when I lived in Papua New Guinea (in the South West Pacific) in 1971. We had a small group of skydivers who jumped from Cessna 172 and Cessna 180.
I bought a Thunderbow in 1971.I believe it was the second one exported from the USA. Red with a white arrow. We carefully unpacked it and examined the packing procedure. The instructions were of little help. just said "pack as normal." I found that the T'Bow opened a little harder than a PC Mk1. It had slightly more forward speed than a PC, but sank slightly faster too. Controls felt slightly dead in comparison to the PC. About all that can be said in its favour was that it looked different (which was why I bought it). If I was to do it again I'd probably buy a PC.
Mike Smith


fergs  (F 383)

Nov 17, 2003, 10:39 AM
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Hi,
... I learned skydiving when I lived in Papua New Guinea (in the South West Pacific) in 1971. We had a small group of skydivers who jumped from Cessna 172 and Cessna 180....
Mike Smith

Mike,

I did my first jump in PNG in '73 and did my first few hundred jumps there over the next few years - mostly Moresby (Tanuabada DZ), but also Lae, Hagen, Goroka, and other exhotic spots for those magical displays into the shows.

Other than ex-PNGites, no other jumpers con earth an appreciate the sight and sound of opening up over Goroka showground during a Highlands Show, looking down and seeing a small patch of green surrounded by 100,000 local natives, bushy afro hair, dressed in grass skirts with spears pointed skywards. It redefined the term "there's no outs"!!

Or how the same cargo-cultist locals called a parachute an "umbrella bilong jesus christ".

What an exciting country to jump in! I went from a club 7-TU to a PC to a Pappilon to a thunderbow to a strato star to a etc etc.

My T-Bow was black with red arrow. Maybe you remember who owned it before me?

Sadly it seems that skydiving there has all but stopped. My last visit was way back in 1987. There was zero jumping at all.

Where do you live now? Still jumping?

Blue skies, wantok, and supoz yu laik tokim long lik lik pisin, orait, youpela i ken wokim sumpela PM samtin i kamup long mipela. Or supoz yu lusim ting ting long tok pisin, yupela i ken tokim long english i orait tu.Wink

fergs


manship  (D 2285)

Sep 19, 2004, 7:42 PM
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I jumped the Delta II for years...and at one air show, I had such a strong wind blowing up the rear of the chute, I had a very difficult time turning into the wind.

However, that is what make jumping so much fun....almost buying it....and then beating the odds.

BUMP

Yeah, The new peole (like over 3000 US D-license numbers) will never understand. I always thought your jumps were cooler than cool Bill.

t


beezyshaw  (A 3393)

Sep 21, 2004, 8:04 AM
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In the 70's at our dropzone in Dalton, GA, we were probably the most "T Bow intensive" dz in the country. We ALL jumped the T Bow...me, George Galloway, Terry Curtis, Eddie Darr, lots of others; then when the RW version came out (lighter fabric and small pack volume), Tom Rambo and Bob Wilson joined the pack. The person I remember most jumping a Thunderbow was a guy in Fernandina Beach, FL who's name was Bill Smith, but everybody just called him T Bow Bill.


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Oct 27, 2006, 11:44 AM
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Will some one please explain how to assemble a PZ-81 - with a 2-ring slider - onto main risers?


lekstrom10k  (D 3001)

Oct 27, 2006, 8:50 PM
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 The trick to get a Delta11 to open was by removing the last wrap. Then retape it. I had two of them and never cutaway either in 125 jumps. I had 1 baby plane ,3paraplanes and3 Para-Commanders all in rigs at the same time .At 9 in a row without a repack you almost do a day without repacks on Cessna DZs. I also had no trouble out flying Strato-Stars and easy to bear PCs. It had a 26 foot nose line which made full stall drop slack line canopy behind you fun then full up dive over the top slack line below you. Mine had British Army Team steering modification done on both of them, got a real nice dive below you spins. I still have one relined to para dactyl specs with both sliders.Never flew worth a damn after that.Lucky and Billy Webers ad used to own the one I have, but he never got to land it.


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lekstrom10k  (D 3001)

Oct 27, 2006, 9:04 PM
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 This is not a Delts 11 maybe a prototype, It dosent have the steering flaps under the outer skin and dosent have the vent slits on the top.I never saw a Delta 1 maybe this is it.The lower leading edges went a lot lower and cupped like the top skin of a square nose . There is no OSI wrap either.


Beatnik  (D 1051)

Oct 27, 2006, 9:59 PM
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I don't think that there ever was a Delta I. The Delta II was formed from work that Steve Snyder did with the Irvin Eagle to fix the hard opening problem it had. That photo that Dave posted could have been a Hawk. The parawing in the photo doesn't show any louvers in the skin or at least they aren't easy to see. Being from 1966 would put it in the time frame of the Hawk and Eagle models. More information is on page 259 of Poynters Manual Vol. 1


davidlayne  (D 3102)

Oct 28, 2006, 5:02 AM
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Here's a picture of me jumping a Delta II circa 1973. The O.S.I. strap can be clearly seen as can the two MA 1 pilot chutes. The container system would have been a "Mini System" and it appears I have released the reserve from one of its D rings and let it hang from the other ring (usually the left) to give an unobstructed downward view. In approximately 100 Delta II jumps I had no malfunctions.
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JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Oct 28, 2006, 11:40 AM
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Hi dterrick,

That photo looks very much like the canopy that Loy Brydon jumped about that time in a R & D program. I think that it was built by Irvin Industries.

The canopy was glued together, no sewing; except for maybe lines, etc.

It had no opening shock inhibitor (sp?). There was an article on it in about '66 in Skydiver Magazine.

Eventually, Irvin got TSO approval for a delta wing that had no opening shock inhibitor. J. Scott Hamilton jumped that one & wrote an article on it for PARACHUTIST about '67 or so. I once talked to him about the canopy & he said that a hop-n-pop would just about knock your socks off. I think the word he used was 'brutal.'

Jerry


highspeeddirt

Oct 29, 2006, 7:02 PM
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back in the day (circa 1968 or so) we had a guy named charlie pooley that jumped at snyders dz in nj. he had an irvin hawk.irvin, in an attempt to slow the openings down, decided that a really tight deployment sleeve would work(HA).irvin sent him one which he installed .he packed his hawk and was doing a demo for an airshow . the ceiling came in and they only got 1300. HE JUMPED, did a hop n pop(maybe at that altitude it should have been a pop n hop).needless to say , he had a sleeve lock,the sleeve was just too tite at lower airspeeds. chopped it with his oneshots and rsl'd x-bo reserve. time under reserve was about 30 seconds.landed rite next to his main.


howardwhite  (C 3896)

Oct 31, 2006, 6:14 PM
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Here are a couple more Rogallo wing pix, taken at Orange, MA, probably during the '65 Nationals. Canopy (probably the same one in both pix) bears the Pioneer logo, and was presumably a test model, since AFAIK Pioneer never sold any -- at least into the sport market.

Also from the same batch of scans a Barish sailwing jumped by Lee Guilfoyle, D-50, at the '65 Nationals.

HW
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JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Oct 31, 2006, 8:18 PM
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Hi howard,

Looks like that guy in the first photo may be wearing a 3-canopy rig.Unsure



Jerry


murrays  (C 1285)

Oct 31, 2006, 9:48 PM
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Canopy (probably the same one in both pix) bears the Pioneer logo, and was presumably a test model, since AFAIK Pioneer never sold any -- at least into the sport market.

Also from the same batch of scans a Barish sailwing jumped by Lee Guilfoyle, D-50, at the '65 Nationals.

HW

Those are very cool shots. Are the two triangular shots of the same canopy? The lines are much longer in the second photo...incredibly long! T10 long under a tiny triangle....that must have swung around a lot!

That Barish Sailwing is very wild looking!!


howardwhite  (C 3896)

Nov 1, 2006, 5:09 AM
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Are the two triangular shots of the same canopy? The lines are much longer in the second photo...incredibly long!
That Barish Sailwing is very wild looking!!

I think they are of the same canopy. Sometime, I'll have to ask the guy who took them. But I think the apparent difference in line length might be a matter of perspective -- the one more directly underneath does not display the length.

What is more interesting from a development point of view is that there seems to be no sort of opening shock inhibitor; the later production Rogallo wings initially used a strap that wrapped around line groups and released them in sequence (too complicated to explain in a sentence -- have to draw a diagram or post a movie.) Later wings used sliders, I think.

I can ask Lee Guilfoyle, who probably was among the jumpers, or Loy Brydon, who also made early Rogallo jumps (I've seen both of them in the past couple of months and have email and phone contacts.)

For Jerry Baumchen -- yes, it's quite possible that it's a three-canopy system. I'll look at the original; this version was considerably down-sampled to meet posting limitations. But such systems were common for Pioneer testing at the time; I have other pictures of jumps from that time with additional canopies.

As to the Sailwing, yes, it's a wierd canopy. I lost a coin toss to jump one in the late '60s. The guy who won the toss (we had only one rig that would hold it) had to chop. But David Barish, its developer, was still testing modifications to it at Lakewood, NJ into the '70s, I'm told by Someone Who Was There -- he's got lots of pictures and movies and I plan to scan/archive them this winter.

HW


howardwhite  (C 3896)

Nov 1, 2006, 5:41 AM
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Looks like that guy in the first photo may be wearing a 3-canopy rig.Unsure

Here is the best closeup of the rig I can muster without rescanning the original, which is 40 miles west of where I sit at the moment. It's not possible to see if he's wearing a front-mounted reserve.

Also attached is a picture of Pete ("the incredible packing machine") Peterson just after exiting a Norseman at Orange. He's wearing a piggyback rig and a chest-mounted reserve, and is almost certainly testing some canopy for Pioneer. (I took the picture, but have no idea about what's in the main.Unsure)

HW

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JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Nov 1, 2006, 2:54 PM
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Hi Howard,

The photo of Pete is a little interesting. He seems to be wearing a Security piggyback rig with the chest pack added to it.

Also, it looks like the reserve ripcord housing is going to the reserve container on the right side (over his right shoulder); quite different than a normal XBO piggyback. Maybe Security made it that way just for this rig.

Jerry


howardwhite  (C 3896)

Nov 1, 2006, 3:13 PM
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Could be Security, could be Pioneer, could even be Strong (my first pig, which I bought when I started S/L jumpmastering in 1967, was a Strong container on a Pioneer harness, and had front D-rings.)

Need to go look at some old books and catalogs. Also will go back to the original scan and see if there's more detail (this one, as others, was sliced and diced to fit upload requirements.)

HW


JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Nov 1, 2006, 6:55 PM
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Hi howard,

Quote:
Security, could be Pioneer, could even be Strong

I vote Security. Pioneer's ParaTwin used a reserve pin spacing the same as their 3 & 4 pin back packs
(5 1/2" as I recall, but do not hold me to it); they just cut the plate shorter to fit.

I don't think Strong ever made a piggyback with a reserve that bulky. Security's was really just a chest pack relocated to the back.

But I have been wrong before and . . . Unsure

Jerry


howardwhite  (C 3896)

Nov 1, 2006, 7:11 PM
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Here's another picture of Pete boarding Norseman with Pig rig. (Not guaranteed to be the same one, and no chest mount in this one.)

Lousy color; I quick 'n dirty Photoshopped for sharpening details and let color find its own way. (At right is Vic Deveau.)

HW
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JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Nov 2, 2006, 10:14 AM
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Hi howard,

That I am very sure is a Pioneer rig looking at the snap pads and the ripcord handle.

Oh, BTW I was wrong about Strong never making a bulky reserve container. In about '69 - '70 or so he built & sold a rig that had the Stylemaster main & reserve containers on the back; very bulky.

Jerry


howardwhite  (C 3896)

Nov 3, 2006, 4:30 PM
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That Barish Sailwing is very wild looking!!
Here's a better Sailwing picture -- the best I've seen. (And I don't remember ever seeing a red Sailwing.) It comes from a Pioneer Parachute Co. annual report and was recently posted on Flickr by Jon Guignard, an early rigger at Orange.
It makes clear how few lines the Sailwing has.

HW
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murrays  (C 1285)

Nov 3, 2006, 7:17 PM
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Howard,

How did you steer the Sailwing? To me, that picture looks like it only had three control lines connected to one steering line?? Which doesn't make much sense Unsure I'm very confused from looking at that photo.

Imagine how small you could biuld one with modern materials! Whether that would be a good idea is, of course, another topic Cool


highspeeddirt

Nov 4, 2006, 7:15 AM
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what you are seeing as the steering/control lines is actually the sleeve retainer line and pilotchute bridle


murrays  (C 1285)

Nov 4, 2006, 3:54 PM
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Thank-you!! Laugh


maggott  (D 5964)

Nov 5, 2006, 5:24 PM
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Got about 50 dactyl jumps and I still jump it from time to time.
i have also put a jump on one of those russian Ragollo reserves... I believe it's called a Telka.


Zing  (D 6343)

Nov 5, 2006, 9:18 PM
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This thread made go dig out some old logbooks where I found jumps on a ThunderBow, Crossbow (not a triangle), Irvin Parawing, Delta II and of course, my Paradactyl.
Never had any malfunctions on the Irving or Delta II, but then I only jumped them a couple times each.
I jumped my dactyl more than 2000 times and had two cutaways, one a streamer, the other a couple broken lines and a blown panel. I was a pretty light weight back then, and that dactyl served me well and I usually stood it up.
Oh, there was that time I bounced under it on a demo, but that's a another story.


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jimp

Nov 10, 2006, 4:37 PM
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Hi, Rob,

I'll bring my "Spravochnik Instruktora-parashutista" next time I come down to Pitt. Maybe one of our Russian-speaking friends can do an accurate translation that will help out.

Jim

(edited for spelling)


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lekstrom10k  (D 3001)

Nov 13, 2006, 9:24 AM
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 THe housing you see is the standard main ripcord . It went over the shoulder,past the reserve,then to the top right corner of the main container diagonally to the lower left.It was either two or threepin and you left one out stuffed your pilot chute in. Then closed the soft bottom flap put in the last pin and tucked the corners.The Jump Shack Super Swooper was the only rig tha you pulled up as the housing went down under your arm to the main container.


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Nov 13, 2006, 7:55 PM
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Great idea!
We have at least three Russian-speaking regulars who jump at Pitt Meadows.


davidlayne  (D 3102)

Nov 14, 2006, 1:54 AM
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We have at least three Russian-speaking regulars who jump at Pitt Meadows.


Is that legal?


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Nov 14, 2006, 8:41 AM
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We have at least three Russian-speaking regulars who jump at Pitt Meadows.



Is that legal?
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I don't know????

We also have several skydivers who speak French, a few that speak Acadian, a couple that speak German, one or two who speak Spanish, Polish, etc.
Ironically, we don't have any that speak Punjabi or Cantonese: the two largest - recent - groups of immigrants to B.C.


JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Nov 14, 2006, 3:55 PM
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Hi lekstrom,

When I first looked at that photo I thought the same thing. And it may just be the main ripcord housing going over his shoulder. However, if you look at the top of the reserve container you will see a ripcord housing (covered) mounted on the right side of the pins/cones, not on the left as would be normal.

Just my observation; I may be wrong,

Jerry



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